COMPLETE: Short Nonfiction Collection, Vol. 091 - jo

[Availle]

Hi Availle, Thank you for this long, technically demanding, read! You read Bradlaugh's A Plea for Atheism flawlessly, including the French, Greek, and Hebrew passages. Since a substantial portion of Bradlaugh's essay is aimed as discrediting his contemporary, theist William Honyman Gillespie (1808-1875), I'm thinking maybe your recording will inspire some one to read Gillespie's The Necessary Existence of God (1843) for LibriVox, so that both sides of the argument will be available in the catalog. https://archive.org/details/necessaryexisten00gill

I found that part a bit tedious, the whole "before the beginning began to be" etc. Serves me well for not reading the text beforehand.

My favourite quote in this text is the following:

The so-called belief in creation is nothing more than the prostration of the intellect on the threshold of the Unknown.

Bradlaugh was one smart cookie. And he had a scathing wit as well...

[progressingamerica]

Your pacing and "effective use of empty space" was well done. You only made two slips which changed the meaning of the text and, therefore, will need a fix. They were:

page 318, Inheritance and Income Tax. at 27:58, Text reads "We believe in a graduated inheritance tax..." You said "income tax"

page 319, at 31:06, Civil Service. Text reads "his withdrawal of nominations from the Senate until political support for himself was secured..." You said "his support of nominations..."


(3/21/2022): another edit; on your file names please write "128kb" (not just 128); thanks.

Updates made. Thanks for catching these, they were not intentional.

https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf091_bullmooseprogressiveplatform_pa_128kb.mp3

33:27

[Sue Anderson]

Updates made. Thanks for catching these, they were not intentional.

https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf091_bullmooseprogressiveplatform_pa_128kb.mp3

33:27

Thanks for edits! PL OK now!

[progressingamerica]

Updates made. Thanks for catching these, they were not intentional.

https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf091_bullmooseprogressiveplatform_pa_128kb.mp3

33:27

Thanks for edits! PL OK now!

Thank you. When this gets listed in the Librivox catalog, could someone search for "theodore roosevelt" and this will show up with other works under 1471?

https://librivox.org/author/1471

I think, strictly speaking, TR was not this work's author in a specific sense. However, I do think some historians have written that he had plenty of input and generally speaking the BM party is known for him and he is known for the BM party. I'm just curious where this goes. Thanks.

[Sue Anderson]

I will give my answer to this query from progressingamerica shortly; am in the process of writing it. Thank you.

[Sue Anderson]

Updates made. Thanks for catching these, they were not intentional.

https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf091_bullmooseprogressiveplatform_pa_128kb.mp3

33:27

Thanks for edits! PL OK now!

Thank you. When this gets listed in the Librivox catalog, could someone search for "theodore roosevelt" and this will show up with other works under 1471?

https://librivox.org/author/1471

I think, strictly speaking, TR was not this work's author in a specific sense. However, I do think some historians have written that he had plenty of input and generally speaking the BM party is known for him and he is known for the BM party. I'm just curious where this goes. Thanks.

Hello Progressingamerica,

Here are the Short Nonfiction Collection's instructions on how to write a file name for submissions to the collection:

2. EDIT and SAVE your file:

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  snf091_titleofwork_authorlastname_yourinitials_128kb
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Here is a copy of the original file you uploaded to the Short Nonfiction Collection:

https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf091_bullmooseprogressiveplatform_pa_128.mp3

You did not include the requested "author's last name" in your file.

As Book Coordinator and Dedicated Proof Listener for the Short Nonfiction Collection, I had before me two alternatives regarding your ommision, either to request that you re-upload a corrected file; or, as it seemed to me at the time simpler; to read the Wikipedia article on the Progressive Party which you provided and find out to whom to attribute the writing of the party platform.

When I read the article, I distinctly remember thinking "Theodore Roosevelt certainly had a lot of imput into this platform." In particular, this paragraph from the Wikipedia article stuck out: "The party's platform built on Roosevelt's Square Deal domestic program and called for several progressive reforms. The platform asserted that "to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_(United_States,_1912)#:~:text=The%20party's%20platform%20built%20on,the%20statesmanship%20of%20the%20day%22.

If you had originally written "roosevelt" as the author in your file name, I would have accepted your line of thinking and that would be the end of the matter.

However, since the file name was incorrect, and as there was no exact listing of authors of the Progressive Party's platform in the Wikipedia article, I decided to list the Progressive Party as the author of the party's platform. I had to request the SNF metacoodinator, knotyouraveragejo -- the other of the two volunteers at the SNF -- to correct the file name in the server when she cataloged vol. 091 And, since the Progressive Party is not yet a name in the LibriVox catalog, I also had to ask Jo to add the Progressive Party to the catalog list of authors.

Now, you are requesting that Theodore Roosevelt be listed as author of the 1912 party platform.

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In a previous exchange of PM's with you, from December 2021, I explained to you how LibriVox catalog search goes, with specific reference to Theodore Roosevelt. Here is a copy of my explanation:

Hi progressinginamerica:

From the LibriVox search engine, I pulled up the speech by Frederick Douglass in SNF, vol. 88 under these key words: "Frederick Douglass" and "slave."

"I pulled up, the the Woodrow Wilson essay under these key words:
"Woodrow Wilson" and "administration."

I pulled up the Theodore Roosevelt speech under these key words: "Theodore Roosevelt," "Nobel," "Peace," and "Prize"

In all these examples, the direct link was to Volume 088 of the Short Nonfiction Collection. https://librivox.org/short-nonfiction-collection-vol-088-by-various/

The LibriVox catalog is not as expansive as Google. It goes by author and the key words in the title of the recording. [my emphasis, 3/24/2022] Thus, for instance, there was a link to Douglass' speech via "slave" but not "slavery" because the title, as listed in SNF 088 was "The American Constitution and the Slave."

In my role as BC of the SNF since 2013, I am aware of how the LibriVox catalog works and always try to be sure that I title submissions in the best possible light, as I see it, to increase the likelihood that they can be found by a search in the LibriVox catalog.

You need to remember that LibriVox is a volunteer organization. We do not have the money or personnel to have a catalog with the fine tuning capabilities of Google!

If in future submissions, you have a specific search term that you think appropriate to your submission, let me know and perhaps we can include it in the way we phrase the title of the submission.

If you have further concerns, feel free to post your query in the "Suggestions, Comments, New and Discussion" thread of the forum, where your concerns about the catalog can be addressed by the LibriVox community and by the admins. viewforum.php?f=24

Regards,

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As Book Coordinator of the Short Nonfiction Collection, I would be happy to change the title of your submission to Vol. 091 from "Bull Moose Progressive Party Platform (1912) to "Theodore Roosevelt's Bull Moose Progressive Party Platform (1912). That way a search of the catalog under "Theodore Roosevelt" should point to SNF vol. 091.

[vviera]

Solar Myths and Christian Festivals
Edward Carpenter
https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf091_solarmyths_carpenter_vv_128kb.mp3
(an essay in) https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/1561
31:19

This was a fun and challenging read. Notes:
In order to make it read as a standalone essay, I removed references like "in the following chapters I shall..." and the end sentence which leads on to the next chapter.
I made judgment calls on which footnotes and references to include, only when they added meaning.
A couple of times I spelled S-U-N or S-O-N, when just hearing the words would not make it obvious. I've done this before for plays on words and included the phrase "reader's note...end reader's note" with that. I haven't this time, so let me know if it's ok.
I omitted the letter designations of the stars in the diagram the earreader can't see.

He is a very visual writer - lots of parenthetical expressions and exclamation marks. It was fun trying to render all this verbally to give the earreader the same experience as the eyereader.

Thanks,
Verla

[Sue Anderson]

Solar Myths and Christian Festivals
Edward Carpenter
https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf091_solarmyths_carpenter_vv_128kb.mp3
(an essay in) https://gutenberg.org/ebooks/1561
31:19

This was a fun and challenging read. Notes:
In order to make it read as a standalone essay, I removed references like "in the following chapters I shall..." and the end sentence which leads on to the next chapter.
I made judgment calls on which footnotes and references to include, only when they added meaning.
A couple of times I spelled S-U-N or S-O-N, when just hearing the words would not make it obvious. I've done this before for plays on words and included the phrase "reader's note...end reader's note" with that. I haven't this time, so let me know if it's ok.
I omitted the letter designations of the stars in the diagram the earreader can't see.

He is a very visual writer - lots of parenthetical expressions and exclamation marks. It was fun trying to render all this verbally to give the earreader the same experience as the eyereader.

Thanks,
Verla

Thanks, Verla! Yes, Edward Carpenter is a very visual writer! A long time ago (2013), I read Carpenter's long poem "Towards Democracy" for LibriVox, and it was a wild ride... I see now I began my blurb for that read with "Civilization sinks and swims, but the old facts remain--the sun smiles, knowing well it's strength." https://librivox.org/towards-democracy-by-edward-carpenter/
As I was listening to you read Carpenter's descriptions of the night sky and the constellations, I couldn't help wondering what pagan or religious festivals could possibly be similarly conceived in today's world, when you can't even see the stars at night for all the human lighting down here on earth?

You read this very well, and I have marked it PL OK!

I do have one suggestion, though, and that is that there is one "nasty" click which occurs just after 13.29.5. You can see the spike looming up when you're following the reading on the Audacity screen. I experimented and the click can be easily cut without damaging the flow of speech. With such a nice recording, and such interesting material, it would be a nice thing to do.

[progressingamerica]

Thanks for edits! PL OK now!

Thank you. When this gets listed in the Librivox catalog, could someone search for "theodore roosevelt" and this will show up with other works under 1471?

https://librivox.org/author/1471

I think, strictly speaking, TR was not this work's author in a specific sense. However, I do think some historians have written that he had plenty of input and generally speaking the BM party is known for him and he is known for the BM party. I'm just curious where this goes. Thanks.

Hello Progressingamerica,

Here are the Short Nonfiction Collection's instructions on how to write a file name for submissions to the collection:

2. EDIT and SAVE your file:

• Need noise-cleaning? See this LibriVox wiki page for a complete guide.
• Save or export your recording to an mp3 file at 128kbs. The uploader will add the mp.3 to the end of your file name when it uploads. Please use the format shown. Your file name should have this format before you upload it:
  
  snf091_titleofwork_authorlastname_yourinitials_128kb
• After it is uploaded, it should have this format:
  https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf090_titleofwork_authorlastname_yourinitials_128kb.mp3
• FILE NAMES HAVE RULES!
  Just a word or two to identify the title. Omit "a," "the," etc. Author's LAST NAME only. Everything lower case, including author's last name & your initials!

Here is a copy of the original file you uploaded to the Short Nonfiction Collection:

https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf091_bullmooseprogressiveplatform_pa_128.mp3

You did not include the requested "author's last name" in your file.

As Book Coordinator and Dedicated Proof Listener for the Short Nonfiction Collection, I had before me two alternatives regarding your ommision, either to request that you re-upload a corrected file; or, as it seemed to me at the time simpler; to read the Wikipedia article on the Progressive Party which you provided and find out to whom to attribute the writing of the party platform.

When I read the article, I distinctly remember thinking "Theodore Roosevelt certainly had a lot of imput into this platform." In particular, this paragraph from the Wikipedia article stuck out: "The party's platform built on Roosevelt's Square Deal domestic program and called for several progressive reforms. The platform asserted that "to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_(United_States,_1912)#:~:text=The%20party's%20platform%20built%20on,the%20statesmanship%20of%20the%20day%22.

If you had originally written "roosevelt" as the author in your file name, I would have accepted your line of thinking and that would be the end of the matter.

However, since the file name was incorrect, and as there was no exact listing of authors of the Progressive Party's platform in the Wikipedia article, I decided to list the Progressive Party as the author of the party's platform. I had to request the SNF metacoodinator, knotyouraveragejo -- the other of the two volunteers at the SNF -- to correct the file name in the server when she cataloged vol. 091 And, since the Progressive Party is not yet a name in the LibriVox catalog, I also had to ask Jo to add the Progressive Party to the catalog list of authors.

Now, you are requesting that Theodore Roosevelt be listed as author of the 1912 party platform.

-------------------

In a previous exchange of PM's with you, from December 2021, I explained to you how LibriVox catalog search goes, with specific reference to Theodore Roosevelt. Here is a copy of my explanation:

Hi progressinginamerica:

From the LibriVox search engine, I pulled up the speech by Frederick Douglass in SNF, vol. 88 under these key words: "Frederick Douglass" and "slave."

"I pulled up, the the Woodrow Wilson essay under these key words:
"Woodrow Wilson" and "administration."

I pulled up the Theodore Roosevelt speech under these key words: "Theodore Roosevelt," "Nobel," "Peace," and "Prize"

In all these examples, the direct link was to Volume 088 of the Short Nonfiction Collection. https://librivox.org/short-nonfiction-collection-vol-088-by-various/

The LibriVox catalog is not as expansive as Google. It goes by author and the key words in the title of the recording. [my emphasis, 3/24/2022] Thus, for instance, there was a link to Douglass' speech via "slave" but not "slavery" because the title, as listed in SNF 088 was "The American Constitution and the Slave."

In my role as BC of the SNF since 2013, I am aware of how the LibriVox catalog works and always try to be sure that I title submissions in the best possible light, as I see it, to increase the likelihood that they can be found by a search in the LibriVox catalog.

You need to remember that LibriVox is a volunteer organization. We do not have the money or personnel to have a catalog with the fine tuning capabilities of Google!

If in future submissions, you have a specific search term that you think appropriate to your submission, let me know and perhaps we can include it in the way we phrase the title of the submission.

If you have further concerns, feel free to post your query in the "Suggestions, Comments, New and Discussion" thread of the forum, where your concerns about the catalog can be addressed by the LibriVox community and by the admins. viewforum.php?f=24

Regards,

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

As Book Coordinator of the Short Nonfiction Collection, I would be happy to change the title of your submission to Vol. 091 from "Bull Moose Progressive Party Platform (1912) to "Theodore Roosevelt's Bull Moose Progressive Party Platform (1912). That way a search of the catalog under "Theodore Roosevelt" should point to SNF vol. 091.

Hello Sue,

Thank you for the clarifications. I wasn't seeking any changes, I was only curious as to what would happen next due to the author "person" ambiguity. Your conclusions after reading the article certainly came in line with my own thoughts, hence my question. I appreciate you asking Jo to add the new catalog entry.

I left Roosevelt's name out as I am not aware that any historian has definitively stated that Roosevelt solely authored the platform, I think best information indicates that it was probably a collaborative effort among party leaders. Historically speaking, at least to my knowledge, that might not be correct and I'm going to have that as my starting point - you'll also note I didn't attribute him in the uploaded recording which was for the same reason. I would not want it to be an issue later that someone comes along another day and says "he didn't write this".

Thanks

[Sue Anderson]

Hello progressingamerica,

Thank you for your clarification also. I have added Theodore Roosevelt's name to the title of your contribution to volume 091.

[vviera]

there is one "nasty" click

Oh, the 499 mouth clicks I clipped out weren't good enough for you, you had to pick on #500

Fixed and reuploaded.

Carpenter's Civilisation: Its Cause and Cure was the first thing I PLed on LV. I wasn't familiar with him, but I've certainly seen a lot of him now. The thought I had as I read through this essay was that Joseph Campbell, whose work I also find fascinating, stood on the shoulders of this particular giant.

Thanks for your feedback. I love the time you put into these collections. It's very much appreciated.

Verla

[Sue Anderson]

Hi Verla, Thanks for the fix!

[david wales]

would like to offer this:

• Title of the work.
• DOCTORS: AN ADDRESS DELIVERED TO MEDICAL STUDENTS: 1908
• Author of the work.
• Rudyard Kipling
• The link to your file you copied from the uploader.
https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf091_doctorsaddress_kipling_dw_128kb.mp3
•
• A URL link to the source from which you read (etext URL).
• https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/67704
•
• Length in minutes.
• 8.54
• David Wales

[gurleyda]

Sue,
Evolution of the Stars and Creation of the Earth Part 1 is submitted.

Link to the text used:https://archive.org/details/popularsciencemo87newy/page/221/mode/1up?view=theater

Link to the file upload:
https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf092_evolutionstars_p1_campbell_dg_128kb.mp3

length: 54min 50sec.

That was a beast!

I proof-listened twice but I won't be shocked if I still missed something.

Cheers!
Davo

[Sue Anderson]

would like to offer this:

• Title of the work.
• DOCTORS: AN ADDRESS DELIVERED TO MEDICAL STUDENTS: 1908
• Author of the work.
• Rudyard Kipling
• The link to your file you copied from the uploader.
https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf091_doctorsaddress_kipling_dw_128kb.mp3
•
• A URL link to the source from which you read (etext URL).
• https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/67704
•
• Length in minutes.
• 8.54
• David Wales

Thanks, David!

"Your [medical] training shows you daily and directly that things are what they are, and that their consequences will be what they will be and that we deceive no one but ourselves when we pretend otherwise... At a time when few things are called by their right names, when it is against the spirit of the times even to hint that an act may entail consequences--you are going to join a profession in which you will be paid for telling men the truth..." Rudyard Kipling, 1908

PL OK!