COMPLETE: Short Nonfiction Collection, Vol. 088 - jo

[soupy]

Who Thinks Abstractly? by Georg Hegel 1777-1831

https://archive.org/details/prosewritersofge00hedguoft/page/456/mode/1up

I had problems getting this into 44100 Hz but think I got it.

https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf088_whothinksabstractly_hegel_cc_128kb.mp3

14:39

Craig

[Sue Anderson]

Thanks Sue. I tried hard (but came up short unfortunately) to find what I thought was a properly dated source. I didn't see that it came from a book from 1979, I ended up here from the National Archives. Oh well.

That's ok, progressingamerica! Sources are hard to figure out, sometimes. I felt really bad that we couldn't include your recording in vol. 088. Maybe you'll feel like recording something else from Frederick Douglass' extensive writings with a clearer provenance. If you ever have any doubt about the PD status of anything you're considering for the SNF, please feel free to post a link to the source and let us check it out beforehand.

[Sue Anderson]

Who Thinks Abstractly? by Georg Hegel 1777-1831

https://archive.org/details/prosewritersofge00hedguoft/page/456/mode/1up

I had problems getting this into 44100 Hz but think I got it.

https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf088_whothinksabstractly_hegel_cc_128kb.mp3

14:39

Craig

Hi Craig, Thank you for this lively essay by Hegel! You may have to explain this one to me! What I think Hegel means by "abstract thinking" is closer to my ideas of "prejudice" and "generalization" than anything else. I'm saying this because of the examples Hegel uses--for instance that an "abstract thinker" cannot accept the idea of a good-looking murderer. Because murder is an ugly deed, this observer "sees" all murderers as physically ugly people. This abstract thinker is also quick to jump to conclusions about people, because abstract thinking lumps people into categories, instead of seeing nuances in behavior.

Whether I understood rightly or no, the essay certainly did not fit my "abstract thoughts" (set ideas) about Hegel!

Your recording passed Checker, and sounded fine too. PL OK!

[soupy]

Hi Sue. Thanks for the insight. I take Hegel to use abstract in opposition to philosophy. He showed the abstract in the handsome murderer debate and then the philosophical in the bad upbringing and parents and officials sharing the blame for his actions. That's my take. Probably too simplisticus.

[progressingamerica]

Thanks Sue. I tried hard (but came up short unfortunately) to find what I thought was a properly dated source. I didn't see that it came from a book from 1979, I ended up here from the National Archives. Oh well.

That's ok, progressingamerica! Sources are hard to figure out, sometimes. I felt really bad that we couldn't include your recording in vol. 088. Maybe you'll feel like recording something else from Frederick Douglass' extensive writings with a clearer provenance. If you ever have any doubt about the PD status of anything you're considering for the SNF, please feel free to post a link to the source and let us check it out beforehand.

Sue,

I think I may have located the full public domain transcript of this speech. Could you take a look? Pages 16-34, which is what the image you pointed to in the first reply mentioned.

https://archive.org/details/constitutionofun00thom/page/16/mode/2up

Thanks

[Sue Anderson]

Sue,

I think I may have located the full public domain transcript of this speech. Could you take a look? Pages 16-34, which is what the image you pointed to in the first reply mentioned.

https://archive.org/details/constitutionofun00thom/page/16/mode/2up

Thanks

Hi progressingamerica,

Yes, you have found a public domain transcript of Douglass' speech! Bravo! Bravo!

I hope you felt a surge of excitement on actually seeing the original pages of the London Emancipation Committee's Tract No. 5 on archive.org! --Pages bound with a cover of hand-made marbled paper! with an original dedication signature by George Thompson, to whose lecture Frederick Douglass is replying in his own remarks! a book donated to the Boston Public Library by the family of abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison, and the date of that donation inscribed in pen, July 8, 1899! To me, at least, being rewarded for the efforts of hunting down an original source with a find like the 1860 pamphlet with Douglass' speech in it is a real "feel-good" moment.

I'll PL from the source on archive.org a little latter today. So far, I've just taken a quick look at the first few and last pages of the two sources (Yale and archive.org) and in the paragraphs I examined, Yale has faithfully followed the London Emancipation Committee tract, so I think things will work out.

Thank you for your contribution to vol. 088 of the Short Nonfiction Collection. I'm looking forward to the proof listen!

[Sue Anderson]

Hello, I would like to add the speech "The American Constitution and the Slave", by Frederick Douglass to the collection. (March 1860)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Douglass

https://fromthepage.com/fdp/frederick-douglass-papers-series-one-speeches-debates-and-interviews-volume-3-1855-1863/the-american-constitution-and-the-slave-1860-03-26

https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf088_americanconstitutionandtheslave_douglass_128kb.mp3

66:18

Hi progressingamerica,

The Constitution and the Slave provides ample evidence of Frederick Douglass' oratorical skill and powerful thinking. Overall, you did a fine job with your recording. I am sure it will find a large audience among listeners.

The Yale text follows the London Emancipation Committee Tract with close if not total accuracy. Since you read from the Yale text, I will try to give you page references to both Yale and archive.org in my PL notes. Given 66 minutes of recording time, considering, percentage-wise, edits to recording time, there were few stumbles.

Just so you are aware, the SNF PLing rule is "Special." See Rule #5, "Proof listening and Deadline for Edits" in the instructions for the SNF. This means, we proof primarily for errors that change the meaning of the text. The SNF does not require recordings to be 100% word-perfect. Completing the edits that I, as dedicated proof listener, suggest will bring a reader's submission to within "Special," but it will not guarantee a word-perfect recording. Your recording was very good, but it was not word-perfect. That would be very hard to achieve for anyone other than a professional on a recording of 66 minutes; it would also require a professional proof listener, which I am not. So...
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Repeats that need to be cut out:

Yale, page 10, archive.org, page 22, repeat between 21:23-21:27 "I think it will be found they are much worse than their laws...

Yale, page 21, archive.org, pgs 29-30 repeat between 49:24-49:32 "beginning "the law of interpretation" and ending with "objects sought for by the law."

Yale, page 23, archive.org, page 31, repeat from 55:17:5 -55:20:5 beginning "these outrages...." and ending with "these wrongs"

Simple Misreads that Need Correction

Yale, page 11, archive.org page 23, at 24:02 Text reads "...gives the slave States a representation of three-fifths of all the slave population." You said "of all other slave population."

Yale, page 16, archive.org, page 26. at 37:14. Text reads "and enter Liberty Hall, Philadelphia..." You said "Liberty Hall, Pennsylvania."

Yale, page 23, archive.org, page 31, at 54:50. Text reads: "We have he same writ, and let the people in Britain and the United States..." You said "...and let the people in America and the United States..."
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"Asides" that you left out. There are two places in the text, where "asides" --almost like stage directions in a play--give a dynamic sense of what is going on in the room as Douglass is speaking. These are original to both textual sources. You can put these in, or leave them out, as you prefer.

Yale, page 12, archive.org, page 23,, at 26:23, after "He did not read a word from the constitution of the United States; not one word." (Applause.)

Yale, page 15, archive. org, page 25, at 34:26, Text says "If [and Mr. Douglass here looked in the direction of Mr. Robert Smith, president of the Scottish Temperance League] if you can't get a man to take the pledge..."

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One place where the British typesetter made a mistake; how Yale handled the typesetter's mistake; how I would suggest that you handle this passage:

Yale, page 12, archive.org, page 24, at 27:37, Text from Yale reads "Article 1, section 2, declares that representations [representatives] and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several States..."

The word "representations" is a typesetter's mistake. Yale has put the correct word "representatives" in brackets. You read, from Yale, "representations, representatives" as per the Yale text. The archive.org text has the typesetter's mistake, but, obviously, not the Yale editor's correction. The listener can't see the typesetting mistake. So why not just read it as it should be "representatives."

Thank you for your contribution to vol. 088!

[tac107]

https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf088_martinique_britannica_tac_128kb.mp3

"Martinique" from Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th Edition.
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/42552

8:10

[Sue Anderson]

https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf088_martinique_britannica_tac_128kb.mp3

"Martinique" from Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th Edition.
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/42552

8:10

Hi Tatiana, Thanks for transporting us to a tropical island, just as the leaves begin to fall here in the upper Midwest, and the weather reports warn "hard freeze!" Delving a bit of Wikipedia to update me on Martinique today, I was most surprised to find out that it is actually a member of the European Union and uses the euro as currency. I was also glad to find out that Mt. Pelé has not erupted since 1902.

Your reading is PL OK!

[progressingamerica]

Hello Sue,

It's a funny thing what the brain does when recording and listening back, hence the need for prooflisteners. Thanks for catching these. The "Pennsylvania" one made me laugh. I definitely want to follow the archive.org script, I'm glad the Yale script is faithful but it has no use here. And yes, it was quite a relief finding an acceptable source! I spent several hours and three search engines getting there.

The file has been re-up'd for reconsideration.

All of the items you mentioned I corrected, let me know if they are good or if there are any others that you find that do not match the archive script. For the issue around "representations", that may have been the way Douglass actually said it and it's in the text that way so I left it true to text. As for the two asides, I added in the one about Douglass looking at the gentleman from the Temperance league. I did not like it so much initially but I hadn't completed the final edit yet. I think it sounds good now and adds a particular context.

As for the "applaud" aside, I would prefer to leave that one out. Kind of funny though might be the use of the stereotypical game show clapping audio. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDOrc8FmDy4 But really, it sounded strange for me to just say the word "applause" in any way. Its just weird in an audiobook setting and I think people might interpret that as an error.

New audio length: 66:09

Also, the title in the MW probably does not need the date "March 1860".

Thanks

[Sue Anderson]

Hello Sue,

It's a funny thing what the brain does when recording and listening back, hence the need for prooflisteners. Thanks for catching these. The "Pennsylvania" one made me laugh. I definitely want to follow the archive.org script, I'm glad the Yale script is faithful but it has no use here. And yes, it was quite a relief finding an acceptable source! I spent several hours and three search engines getting there.

The file has been re-up'd for reconsideration.

All of the items you mentioned I corrected, let me know if they are good or if there are any others that you find that do not match the archive script. For the issue around "representations", that may have been the way Douglass actually said it and it's in the text that way so I left it true to text. As for the two asides, I added in the one about Douglass looking at the gentleman from the Temperance league. I did not like it so much initially but I hadn't completed the final edit yet. I think it sounds good now and adds a particular context.

As for the "applaud" aside, I would prefer to leave that one out. Kind of funny though might be the use of the stereotypical game show clapping audio. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDOrc8FmDy4 But really, it sounded strange for me to just say the word "applause" in any way. Its just weird in an audiobook setting and I think people might interpret that as an error.

New audio length: 66:09

Also, the title in the MW probably does not need the date "March 1860".

Thanks

Hi progressingamerica,

Thanks for your prompt edits and your comments. Your reading is now PL OK! My reasoning in leaving a year date (1860) in the title is that Douglass states, in his speech, that his thinking on how to end slavery has evolved over time. Then, in denouncing the "Garrisonian abolitionists," Douglass decries that he has been "pursued and persecuted by that class of persons on account of my change of opinions."

[progressingamerica]

I can see that having relevance. On the topic of Douglass' evolving views on the Constitution(which the previous speech now PL makes quite clear) would it be a good addition to have his "Change of Opinion Announced" also in this collection?

I don't think we can use this source, but this is most of the text easily searchable:

https://rbscp.lib.rochester.edu/4389

Either of these two should be acceptable public domain documents:

https://cdm16694.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p15109coll7/id/446
(The announce is on the second page, in the fifth column, basically above the brown ink blot)

PDF Download: http://fair-use.org/the-liberator/1851/05/23/the-liberator-21-21.pdf
(second page, bottom of fifth and top of sixth column)

I could probably record this real quick since its short, I think it's fascinating but its also important.

[Sue Anderson]

I can see that having relevance. On the topic of Douglass' evolving views on the Constitution(which the previous speech now PL makes quite clear) would it be a good addition to have his "Change of Opinion Announced" also in this collection?

I don't think we can use this source, but this is most of the text easily searchable:

https://rbscp.lib.rochester.edu/4389

Either of these two should be acceptable public domain documents:

https://cdm16694.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p15109coll7/id/446
(The announce is on the second page, in the fifth column, basically above the brown ink blot)

PDF Download: http://fair-use.org/the-liberator/1851/05/23/the-liberator-21-21.pdf
(second page, bottom of fifth and top of sixth column)

I could probably record this real quick since its short, I think it's fascinating but its also important.

Hi progressingamerica, Yes, you could certainly read the "Change of Opinion Announced" for the Short Nonfiction Collection. I would favor your first PD source, from Douglass' newspaper The North Star.
https://cdm16694.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p15109coll7/id/446. I was able to enlarge the newspaper on my screen, so that the type was quite legible.

To the best of my knowledge, nobody has done any readings direct from Douglass' newspapers for LibriVox, I see that the Library of Congress has a Douglass Digital Newspaper Collection, which looked to me to be quite interesting:

https://www.loc.gov/collections/frederick-douglass-newspapers/about-this-collection/

https://www.loc.gov/collections/frederick-douglass-newspapers/dynamic-list-of-titles/

[Sue Anderson]

https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf088_landscape_durand_sa_128kb.mp3

Letters on Landscape Painting, Number 3
by Asher Durand
from The Crayon, January 31, 1855

14:52

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.l0059327684&view=1up&seq=76&skin=2021

This is my third reading about the painters who belonged to the Hudson River School of artists, a group of New York City-based landscape painters that emerged about 1850.

Asher B. Durand (1796-1886) wrote a series of nine letters on the art of landscape painting for a journal called The Crayon, which was published from 1855-1861. Letter #3, which I have chosen to read, offers guidance to the beginning painter, advice which, in my opinion, is as useful today as when it was written in 1855.

For an example of Durand's work:https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/10786

~~~~~ I am looking for a volunteer to proof listen my recording, since as the DPL of the SNF, I can't very well PL my own work.

[Piotrek81]

~~~~~ I am looking for a volunteer to proof listen my recording, since as the DPL of the SNF, I can't very well PL my own work.

I can do it