[TRAVEL/MYTHS]Scilly and its legends. by Henry James Whitfield - jo

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Post by Sue Anderson » November 23rd, 2019, 8:31 am

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November 22nd, 2019, 9:35 pm
Another little one : section 15
5:15
https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/scillyanditslegends_15_whitfeld_128kb.mp3
15 is PL OK!


Timothy, This morning, I happened to notice that we don't yet have Whitfeld in the LibriVox catalog, and so I decided on a whim to do a bit of sleuthing for his dates, based on the info he gives at the beginning of Scilly --i.e. "The Rev. H.J. Whitfeld, M.A., Late of Downing College, Cambridge; Vicar of Granborough, Bucks; and Domestic Chaplain to the Earl of Mornington." My dip into these realms leads me to believe that the author's name is Henry John, not Henry James Whitfeld. Whitfeld wrote another book, Rambles in Devonshire (1854), which is attributed to Henry John on the web, and other references to Scilly and the book on Devonshire on the web are all to "Henry John Whitfeld." https://archive.org/details/ramblesindevonsh00whit/page/n4

Here are a couple of items relating, in the first instance, to the date that Henry John Whitfeld graduated from Downing College and, secondly, to his position as Vicar of Granborough:

https://books.google.com/books?id=_psOAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA1-PA10&lpg=RA1-PA10&dq=Henry+james+whitfeld,+downing+college,+cambridge&source=bl&ots=nLpQ31VUSg&sig=ACfU3U1oInAsqsUybXTLBdeW5EceDYV45w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj79aeex4DmAhVNL6wKHeFoCskQ6AEwCnoECAwQAQ#v=onepage&q=Henry%20james%20whitfeld%2C%20downing%20college%2C%20cambridge&f=false

https://books.google.com/books?id=rPReAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA25&lpg=PA25&dq=Henry+John+Whitfeld+vicar+of+granborough&source=bl&ots=kVZdwi4T0t&sig=ACfU3U1zEPd6VECVswxRnvNcjcC3pmQEmQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjgwrS2y4DmAhUPQ60KHfUNC0AQ6AEwAHoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=Henry%20John%20Whitfeld%20vicar%20of%20granborough&f=false

If you agree with me that Whitfeld's first names are Henry John then I would think there should be an update to the blurb. I'm not inclined to an emendation of what you've already recorded, but from now on just to emend your introduction of the author.

What prompted the 19th century predilection for initials instead of names I do not understand! It's frustrating.

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Post by knotyouraveragejo » November 23rd, 2019, 6:10 pm

If Henry John, then I will need to correct the author entry in the database. Please let me know what you decide.
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Post by Timothy Ferguson » November 24th, 2019, 1:09 am

Sue Anderson wrote:
November 23rd, 2019, 8:31 am

Timothy, This morning, I happened to notice that we don't yet have Whitfeld in the LibriVox catalog, and so I decided on a whim to do a bit of sleuthing for his dates, based on the info he gives at the beginning of Scilly --i.e. "The Rev. H.J. Whitfeld, M.A., Late of Downing College, Cambridge; Vicar of Granborough, Bucks; and Domestic Chaplain to the Earl of Mornington." My dip into these realms leads me to believe that the author's name is Henry John, not Henry James Whitfeld. Whitfeld wrote another book, Rambles in Devonshire (1854), which is attributed to Henry John on the web, and other references to Scilly and the book on Devonshire on the web are all to "Henry John Whitfeld." https://archive.org/details/ramblesindevonsh00whit/page/n4
...

If you agree with me that Whitfeld's first names are Henry John then I would think there should be an update to the blurb. I'm not inclined to an emendation of what you've already recorded, but from now on just to emend your introduction of the author.

What prompted the 19th century predilection for initials instead of names I do not understand! It's frustrating.

Regards,
You are clearly right. I'm not sure where I got James from. Hathi Trust lists the book I'm reading from as "Henry John", so I've clearly just misread the name.

Thanks for finding this. I've enjoyed this book, so I'll have a look at his Rambles in Devonshire. 8)
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Post by Timothy Ferguson » November 24th, 2019, 1:12 am

knotyouraveragejo wrote:
November 23rd, 2019, 6:10 pm
If Henry John, then I will need to correct the author entry in the database. Please let me know what you decide.
I was mistaken. It's certainly Henry John Whitfeld.
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Post by Sue Anderson » November 24th, 2019, 6:33 am

Timothy Ferguson wrote:
November 24th, 2019, 1:09 am
I've enjoyed this book, so I'll have a look at his Rambles in Devonshire. 8)
If you decide to read Rambles in Devonshire, let me know and I'll DPL it for you.

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Post by knotyouraveragejo » November 24th, 2019, 2:04 pm

Timothy Ferguson wrote:
November 24th, 2019, 1:12 am
knotyouraveragejo wrote:
November 23rd, 2019, 6:10 pm
If Henry John, then I will need to correct the author entry in the database. Please let me know what you decide.
I was mistaken. It's certainly Henry John Whitfeld.
No problem. All set.

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Post by Sue Anderson » November 24th, 2019, 2:50 pm

knotyouraveragejo wrote:
November 24th, 2019, 2:04 pm
Timothy Ferguson wrote:
November 24th, 2019, 1:12 am
knotyouraveragejo wrote:
November 23rd, 2019, 6:10 pm
If Henry John, then I will need to correct the author entry in the database. Please let me know what you decide.
I was mistaken. It's certainly Henry John Whitfeld.
No problem. All set.

https://librivox.org/author/13978
Jo, The blurb along with the author's name reads Henry James [not John] Whitfeld.

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Post by Sue Anderson » November 24th, 2019, 4:37 pm

Timothy Ferguson wrote:
November 23rd, 2019, 7:06 am
A legend, but I think the author may be just making stuff up now...

Section 16
https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/scillyanditslegends_16_whitfeld_128kb.mp3
20:59
16 is PL OK! :)

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Post by Timothy Ferguson » November 25th, 2019, 6:45 am

Sue Anderson wrote:
November 24th, 2019, 2:50 pm
knotyouraveragejo wrote:
November 24th, 2019, 2:04 pm
Timothy Ferguson wrote:
November 24th, 2019, 1:12 am


I was mistaken. It's certainly Henry John Whitfeld.
No problem. All set.

https://librivox.org/author/13978
Jo, The blurb along with the author's name reads Henry James [not John] Whitfeld.
I've changed the blurb, but can't get the thread name.
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Post by Sue Anderson » November 25th, 2019, 10:47 am

Timothy, I think I confused you with my remark. The "blurb" I was referring to is the author's blurb that will appear in the catalog (see copy below) Jo fixed up the author's name to Henry John but the short bio which appears below the name still reads "Henry James." Jo will need to change that, as neither you nor I can.


https://librivox.org/author/13978
Henry John Whitfield (1808 - 1855)
Rev. Henry James Whitfeld (1808-Jun 17, 1855) was an English clergyman. He received his M.A. at Cambridge. He was vicar of Granborough, Buckinghamshire 1845-1855 and domestic chaplain to the Earl of Mornington.



This entire name business is, well, interesting (to me at least). In the mention of Whitfeld in the Account of the Corporation for Maintaining and Educating Poor Orphans of the Clergy, we find that Whitfeld had named one of his sons William Long Wellesley Sotherby Whitfeld. William was born in 1845 which makes him a contemporary of the "real" Henry James (born 1843). But why, I wondered, did Henry John give his son William that long, cumbersome name? This led me to a Wikipedia article on the 4th earl of Mornington (William Pole-Tylney-Long-Wellesley (1788-1857). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Pole-Tylney-Long-Wellesley,_4th_Earl_of_Mornington We know that Henry John served as domestic chaplain to the Earl of Mornington, so he must have named his kid to flatter his employer. However, was this a good idea? If Wikipedia is to be believed, the earl led a "very dissipated life" and was always "fleeing his creditors."

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Post by Timothy Ferguson » January 8th, 2020, 7:27 am

Late for my monthly checkin!

I'm still interested in finishing this. I've been sidetracked to finish a four volume bio I've been recording, on and off, for nine years. I've just put five dense chapters on my poor proof listener all at once, which is appalling, but I felt I needed to get it done.

So, yes, still interested. I'm also interested in the author's book on Devon, but I'll finish this first.
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Post by knotyouraveragejo » January 8th, 2020, 9:54 am

Thanks for the update, Timothy. :)
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Post by Sue Anderson » January 8th, 2020, 12:20 pm

Hi Timothy,

Whenever is fine with me.

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