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I'm slightly confused on this point: if someone uploads a file which is all correct (technical specs and PL ok) but the filename is wrong (eg: missing 128kb at the end) and I add the link to the file with its wrong name into the MW and mark it PL OK, will that cause problems when cataloguing? Or do all the files get renamed to their correct names automatically, provided the link in the MW points to the right file?

In short, as the BC, do I have to do anything about a wrong filename?

edit: for clarity, my current practice (see here, first section) is to mark in the notes field that the filename is wrong.

Thanks!

InTheDesert wrote: ↑June 1st, 2022, 3:27 pm I'm slightly confused on this point: if someone uploads a file which is all correct (technical specs and PL ok) but the filename is wrong (eg: missing 128kb at the end) and I add the link to the file with its wrong name into the MW and mark it PL OK, will that cause problems when cataloguing? Or do all the files get renamed to their correct names automatically, provided the link in the MW points to the right file?

In short, as the BC, do I have to do anything about a wrong filename?

Thanks!

No, you can not. Because the uploaded file is in the folder of the MC with the uploaded name (in your case without 128kb). If you change the file name in the MW, an error will occur when cataloging. The file names in the MW and in the folder are different, so there is no match.
If a file name is not correct - write a note in the MW or a PM to the MC. As long as the file names in the MW and the folder of the MC are the same there will be no problems.
I personally compare the MW with my folder before cataloging and correct in both places if necessary.

I hope I was able to help.

Best regards from Germany.

lorda wrote: ↑June 1st, 2022, 3:37 pm No, you can not. Because the uploaded file is in the folder of the MC with the uploaded name (in your case without 128kb). If you change the file name in the MW, an error will occur when cataloging. The file names in the MW and in the folder are different, so there is no match.
If a file name is not correct - write a note in the MW or a PM to the MC. As long as the file names in the MW and the folder of the MC are the same there will be no problems.
I personally compare the MW with my folder before cataloging and correct in both places if necessary.

I hope I was able to help.

Best regards from Germany.

Thanks Bernd I think I didn't express my question very clearly. The link I add to the MW points to the file in the MC folder, except the filename is different from all the other files in the project. So the MW has a good link to a badly named file. Does that make sense? My question then is whether I as the BC need to do anything (like inform the MC) or can it just be left?

Edit: For example using the project linked in the first post, the MW has a link to https://librivox.org/uploads/kazbek/homilies_00_aelfric_128kb_mp3.mp3 (which is the name of the file in the MC folder so the link works) but the filename has an extra _mp3 at the end of it which shouldn't be there (my fault).

You may get different answers from different MCs about what they prefer but in case like that, the reader is obviously doing something the wrong way and possibly thinks adding .mp3 to something makes it an .mp3 file and will continue to do so so it is worth helping them to get it right.
As long as the MW name matches the folder name nothing bad will happen to the catalogue - it will just be annoying

Anne

As long as the MW name matches the folder name nothing bad will happen to the catalogue - it will just be annoying

Yep. As long as the link in the MW leads to the audio, the MC can handle it. (If the link does NOT point to the audio, it's a world of pain for us - it happens!)

It's two clicks (and maybe a couple keystrokes) to fix all the files in the project when cataloging. I personally do this on every project automatically, to be 100% sure there are no differences I am simply not seeing.

Sounds like marking it in the MW is all that needs to be done and perhaps reminding the MC at cataloguing time. Thanks all!

It is indeed easy to fix when cataloging BUT (and maybe the more tech-savvy MCs will correct me here), the correction in the validator when cataloging does NOT fix the file in the folder (which is why Bernd said he checks against his folder and corrects in both places, I think). That is important because if the back-up is done not from the validator but from the folder, the file will still have the wrong name and might sort in the wrong order in the back up, or depending on the mistake create other kinds of oddness. Which is why I ask readers to reupload with the correct filename when a file has the wrong name. It is an easy fix for the reader, and prevents me from perhaps deleting a correct file since it will have a wrong name and sort in the wrong place in the folder (because MCs periodically have to manually delete all wrong files that end up in their folders).

If I am mistaken in my understanding, I am sure someone will clarify.

InTheDesert wrote: ↑June 1st, 2022, 7:40 pm Sounds like marking it in the MW is all that needs to be done and perhaps reminding the MC at cataloguing time.

AND alerting the reader of the mistake. Best to get it right in the long run.

Availle wrote: ↑June 1st, 2022, 8:28 pm AND alerting the reader of the mistake. Best to get it right in the long run.

This brings up my main question - if I alert the reader, it's natural for them to reupload the file with a corrected filename. Is it better for them to do this and avoid all the problems people have described above at cataloguing time but at the cost of a double file on the server taking up space?

As often with LV, there is no clear answer. The best case is for people to realise that the file name is really really important
If readers feel that it doesn't matter then there will sometime be a disaster as really the file name is the only identification the files have during the catalogue process at LV and Archive and out into the ether.

The folders size has not been a problem since the upgrade.
And yes I have not given a hard and fast rule - it depends.

Anne

annise wrote: ↑June 1st, 2022, 8:51 pm The folders size has not been a problem since the upgrade.

It sounds like this means asking people to reupload would be the best way forward because it would a) remind them to be careful with the filename b) avoid cataloguing issues later c) make it easier for the MC and d) wouldn't be problematic for server space.

It's not the only way to do it, but it sounds like an easy way for a BC like myself to deal with it quickly and neatly.

Just to point out that a lot can go wrong in an upload, and a re-uploaded file still needs to be checked.

Also, BC instructions in the wiki
File names: ask your MC to fix the filename (the file does not need to be re-uploaded for that!). Contact the reader and explain about how to do it correctly next time.