The Poster - stage 2

Stephan · Post by **Stephan** » January 8th, 2006, 5:08 am

Thank you Chris, for the number of poll options.

For descriptions of the ideas, look here:
http://librivox.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=664

You only have one vote!

This is a never-ending poll. We will draw a line when we think we have agreeable 2-3 winners. These 2-3 winers will be taken into the last poll, unless we already have very decided winner already.

The poll is open end, so LibriVox can always come back and see what poster would be cool to do next, with current results.

If you think: why the **** do we have to do a poll about this? Can?t he decide for one and just do it?
I certainly could! But I think we are a collaborative project, and everbody has a say about how LibriVox appears in the public.
Also, it?s fun, if it is no fun for you, go away.

I am all excited.
HAVE FUN!

Gesine · Post by **Gesine** » January 8th, 2006, 5:36 am

So when you say 'open ended poll' - that means we can all go in and vote again and again? Hehe...

Post by **hugh** » January 8th, 2006, 5:43 am

how do i pick one?

Stephan · Post by **Stephan** » January 8th, 2006, 5:45 am

...Indeed if you would create hundrets of new forum-accounts.
But you?d need a lot email-adresses for that.. all very unlikely.

Post by **hugh** » January 8th, 2006, 5:48 am

I like the "great stories are meant to be heard." but ... I suggest a change:
"great stories should be heard."

the difference is:
-"meant to be heard" implies that the stories were written specifically to be heard. (meant = purpose).

-"should be heard" implies rather that given the choice between hearing or not hearing the stories, the universe would prefer that the stories be heard.

sort of like the difference between "innocent people are meant to be liberated," VS. "innocent people should be liberated."

they are not necessarily meant to be liberated, but they *should* be.

Post by **hugh** » January 8th, 2006, 5:49 am

crap I was going to vote twice, but the system won't let me. what kind of democracy is this anyway?

my other vote is for the old-style propoganda poster.

Stephan · Post by **Stephan** » January 8th, 2006, 5:51 am

TAXI! Maybe an admin could edit idea 5. , like Hugh suggests? Its a lot better.

Jon Ingram · Post by **Jon Ingram** » January 8th, 2006, 6:06 am

If you'd like to vote in a more sensible way on this, then check out

http://www.demochoice.org/dcballot.php?poll=lvoxposter

It allows you to rank the options you like, then calculates the winner based on Instant Runoff Voting. This means you can choose all the options you like, rather than just selecting the one you like best. It will calculate the top two preferred choices.

Post by **hugh** » January 8th, 2006, 6:54 am

stephan change made!

fox · Post by **fox** » January 8th, 2006, 7:10 am

hugh wrote:I like the "great stories are meant to be heard." but ... I suggest a change:
"great stories should be heard."

But: Great stories are meant to be heard, it does not say anything about books.

I think the double meaning of "heard" as "perceived" or as literarily "consumed with your ears" is an important part of the punshline.

What does that have to do with your objection? Well, just try pronouncing that sentence to give it the one or the other of the meanings mentioned above:
"Great stories are meant to be heard." vs. "Great stories are meant to be heard."

And now try it with should. Sounds not as good to me.

Anyway, I go for 2, so maybe I should just shut up.

Post by **hugh** » January 8th, 2006, 7:19 am

you are right: the cadence of "meant to be heard" is much stronger than "should be heard" ... but the meaning is still not right, in my opinion. in any case, looks like I'm the only vote for that one, so point may be moot.

Stephan · Post by **Stephan** » January 8th, 2006, 7:46 am

Hehe, lets do a vote here and there, and see if its the same result.
But lets this here forum-poll count. The other is too complicated.

Kristen · Post by **Kristen** » January 8th, 2006, 8:10 am

Wow, there are a lot of really great ideas here; every one of them sounds graphically interesting and attention-getting. But many of them seem, I don't know how to put it exactly, militant? aggressive? political? angry? Pointing fingers, demonstrators, fists. Why is that?

And they have interesting tag lines and phrases, but none of them say "free audiobooks" which is as plain and simple an explanation of LibriVox as you're ever going to get. It's clear and easy to understand no matter whether you are a free-thinker out to change the system , or just somebody who likes to listen to books.

"Free" is always going to get attention. "Audiobooks" targets the right audience. Down with jargon, I say. Let's make our message concise and unmistakable.

Free Audiobooks. LibriVox.org

Stephan · Post by **Stephan** » January 8th, 2006, 8:21 am

There we have it! Water on my treadmills. (I am on your side Kristen)
But lets not have the claim discussion again.
>> http://librivox.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=537
Kristen. People here love the Liberation-claim.
Its been thought of EXACTLY communicating what LibriVox is, so we stick and concentrate on it.

Lets not confuse the receipient of the poster with two lines in the "get to know" phase now. One product, one claim.
?LIberation? it should be.

Post by **hugh** » January 8th, 2006, 8:39 am

kristen is one of the original librivoxers and a proponent of clear, jargonless language: hence, free audiobooks. (I think kristen was very kind to let me keep "acoustical liberation" on the site in the early days!)

And I was thinking about that long debate we had, and the reason stephan brought the issue up: how to make a poster?

I like, of course: "acoustical liberation" on the webpage, but it does not have to be on the poster. and the question is, what are the posters for? "acoustical liberation" worked especially early on because the people first attracted to LibriVox were generally free software/creative commons types on the net who have a sophisticated understanding of copyright issues.

but a poster will go in a coffee shop, library, school. and I think the objective is to recruit volunteers to read. (right?) so being VERY clear is important. Here it is in Plain Vanilla ad copy:

Free Audiobooks. LibriVox.org

small print: LibriVox is a group of volunteers from around the world who provide Free Audiobooks on the internet.

with graphic of book with headphones.

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The Poster - stage 2

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