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Re: Pronunciation help: all languages
Posted: January 18th, 2022, 12:12 pm
by maxgal
OK, all you Brits & Anglophiles...
I have some "working class" men to voice -- probably somewhere in Victorian-era London -- and one of them says,
"Not standing treat much, neither; he was in the bar, all on his own."
So should it be pronounced "nee-ther" or "nye-ther"?
Any help for this Yankee is greatly appreciated!
Thank you...LJB
(Louise)
Re: Pronunciation help: all languages
Posted: January 18th, 2022, 6:17 pm
by Peter Why
Either is acceptable, but for a low-class London accent, "neether" is more likely, and would be pronounced more like "neever".
Peter
Re: Pronunciation help: all languages
Posted: January 18th, 2022, 6:32 pm
by maxgal
Peter Why wrote: ↑January 18th, 2022, 6:17 pm
Either is acceptable, but for a low-class London accent, "neether" is more likely, and would be pronounced more like "neever".
Peter
Ah. Thanks a bunch.
...LJB
(( ...but... is "ee-ther" or "eye-ther" acceptable? 
))
Re: Pronunciation help: all languages
Posted: January 19th, 2022, 1:35 am
by Peter Why
My London accent is a little corrupted by the seven years I spent in East Anglia, so some of the ?harshness of the London accent has been softened. I would tend to say eye-the rather than ee-the, but I think ee-the's more likely in London.
A long time ago, I had a friend whose surname was Jobson. I always pronounced it JOH-bson (like Joe); he told me that the Woolwich locals called him JO-bson (like pot). I tend to think of my pronunciation as being a little more relaxed.
Peter
Re: Pronunciation help: all languages
Posted: February 8th, 2022, 2:57 pm
by maxgal
SCOTS / "SCOTCH" / SCOTTISH-GAELIC-ENGLISH pronunciation help needed!
Of course I don't really know the difference...
But I have several chunks of such dialogue to do.
(And listening to Engineer Mr. Scott while watching reruns of the original Star Trek will get me only so far.)
It's all part of a humorous/satiric story, so there are probably some oddities &/or exaggerations in the spelling, etc.
Any & all assistance is much appreciated!
"Sair maun ye greet, but hoot awa!
There's muckle yet, love isna' a'...
Nae more ye'll see, howe'er ye whine
The bonnie breeks of Auld Lang Syne!"
[This is supposed to be a "Highlands folk song"]
"Ye're sair welcome."
"I'll no be selling the fush for money."
[referring to a fish]
"Come away ben; are ye daft, lass, that ye stand there keeking at a McWhinus?"
[most likely a silly made-up name?]
"What said Ian McWhinus to you i' the burnside?"
" 'Twas nae muckle; he gi'ed me a saxpence for a fush."
"Siller! Siller from a McWhinus!"
[meaning "silver" for referring to the "saxpence"?]
"The McWhinus is back."
"Curse him, I'll e'en kill him the night as he passes in his deil machine."
[referring to a motorcar]
"The deil machine! Ye'll no be wanting of a mark the night!"
Re: Pronunciation help: all languages
Posted: February 25th, 2022, 5:18 pm
by maxgal
maxgal wrote: ↑February 8th, 2022, 2:57 pm
SCOTS / "SCOTCH" / SCOTTISH-GAELIC-ENGLISH pronunciation help needed!
Of course I don't really know the difference...
But I have several chunks of such dialogue to do.
(And listening to Engineer Mr. Scott while watching reruns of the original Star Trek will get me only so far.)
It's all part of a humorous/satiric story, so there are probably some oddities &/or exaggerations in the spelling, etc.
Any & all assistance is much appreciated!
"Sair maun ye greet, but hoot awa!
There's muckle yet, love isna' a'...
Nae more ye'll see, howe'er ye whine
The bonnie breeks of Auld Lang Syne!"
[This is supposed to be a "Highlands folk song"]
"Ye're sair welcome."
"I'll no be selling the fush for money."
[referring to a fish]
"Come away ben; are ye daft, lass, that ye stand there keeking at a McWhinus?"
[most likely a silly made-up name?]
"What said Ian McWhinus to you i' the burnside?"
" 'Twas nae muckle; he gi'ed me a saxpence for a fush."
"Siller! Siller from a McWhinus!"
[meaning "silver" for referring to the "saxpence"?]
"The McWhinus is back."
"Curse him, I'll e'en kill him the night as he passes in his deil machine."
[referring to a motorcar]
"The deil machine! Ye'll no be wanting of a mark the night!"
..anyone out there who can help me...?
Re: Pronunciation help: all languages
Posted: February 25th, 2022, 9:28 pm
by mightyfelix
I've recorded a lot of this kind of dialogue before. I think I do a fair job, and I've gotten some compliments. But I'm not native and I've never been to Scotland, so I haven't answered you. Heck, sometimes I'm just flat-out guessing! Still, I'd be willing to record these phrases for you to imitate, as long as you are ok with the fact that it might not be accurate.
Re: Pronunciation help: all languages
Posted: February 25th, 2022, 10:33 pm
by maxgal
mightyfelix wrote: ↑February 25th, 2022, 9:28 pm
I've recorded a lot of this kind of dialogue before. I think I do a fair job, and I've gotten some compliments. But I'm not native and I've never been to Scotland, so I haven't answered you. Heck, sometimes I'm just flat-out guessing! Still, I'd be willing to record these phrases for you to imitate, as long as you are ok with the fact that it might not be accurate.
That would be fabulous!
Re: Pronunciation help: all languages
Posted: March 1st, 2022, 6:39 pm
by mightyfelix
maxgal wrote: ↑February 8th, 2022, 2:57 pm
SCOTS / "SCOTCH" / SCOTTISH-GAELIC-ENGLISH pronunciation help needed!
Of course I don't really know the difference...
But I have several chunks of such dialogue to do.
(And listening to Engineer Mr. Scott while watching reruns of the original Star Trek will get me only so far.)
It's all part of a humorous/satiric story, so there are probably some oddities &/or exaggerations in the spelling, etc.
Any & all assistance is much appreciated!
"Sair maun ye greet, but hoot awa!
There's muckle yet, love isna' a'...
Nae more ye'll see, howe'er ye whine
The bonnie breeks of Auld Lang Syne!"
[This is supposed to be a "Highlands folk song"]
"Ye're sair welcome."
"I'll no be selling the fush for money."
[referring to a fish]
"Come away ben; are ye daft, lass, that ye stand there keeking at a McWhinus?"
[most likely a silly made-up name?]
"What said Ian McWhinus to you i' the burnside?"
" 'Twas nae muckle; he gi'ed me a saxpence for a fush."
"Siller! Siller from a McWhinus!"
[meaning "silver" for referring to the "saxpence"?]
"The McWhinus is back."
"Curse him, I'll e'en kill him the night as he passes in his deil machine."
[referring to a motorcar]
"The deil machine! Ye'll no be wanting of a mark the night!"
Here it is, I hope this helps. Like I said, I'm not at all a native of Scotland, but I do my best. And yes, "siller" means silver, referring to the money, you were right on there!
https://librivox.org/uploads/tests/scotsformaxgal.mp3
Re: Pronunciation help: all languages
Posted: March 2nd, 2022, 2:19 pm
by maxgal
Sounds fabiola!
I'll do my best myna bird act.
Thanks loads...LJB
Re: Pronunciation help: all languages
Posted: March 2nd, 2022, 6:23 pm
by InTheDesert
Could a French speaker record this paragraph for me to imitate:
Beginning "Jean Calvin. Les hommes..."
https://archive.org/details/presbyterianrefo1144warf/page/713/mode/1up
Also half way through the paragraph, in italics, the sentence beginning "Calvin Hebraisant..."
Thankyou!
Re: Pronunciation help: all languages
Posted: March 3rd, 2022, 8:02 am
by InTheDesert
Re: Pronunciation help: all languages
Posted: March 3rd, 2022, 9:01 am
by Lynnet
Peter Why wrote: ↑January 19th, 2022, 1:35 am
My London accent is a little corrupted by the seven years I spent in East Anglia, so some of the ?harshness of the London accent has been softened. I would tend to say eye-the rather than ee-the, but I think ee-the's more likely in London.
A long time ago, I had a friend whose surname was Jobson. I always pronounced it JOH-bson (like Joe); he told me that the Woolwich locals called him JO-bson (like pot). I tend to think of my pronunciation as being a little more relaxed.
Peter
To add my 2 cents, my dad was from that area and to the uninitiated sounded like Michael Caine, if that helps. (Locals can place someone within 3 streets based on accent
)
Re: Pronunciation help: all languages
Posted: March 3rd, 2022, 9:25 am
by Kitty
if you can wait a few days, I can make you a soundfile on the weekend.
Sonia
Re: Pronunciation help: all languages
Posted: March 3rd, 2022, 9:45 am
by jazzman
Hi there!
I can record this for you later today
Guy
