COMPLETE [Multilingual Monthly Poem] The Сonflict, by Friedrich Schiller (1759 - 1805)-mas

[czandra]

Isad, J'écouterai votre numéro en fin de semaine prochaine. Je viens de voir qu'il est pret. À tantôt.

Cz

[Eysiss]

Let`s see if this one is good:
https://librivox.org/uploads/maryannspiegel/conflict_schiller_it_hmpsk_128kb.mp3

For really I`ve changed home and have edited the recording on my wife`s really old notebook, while my own is on the upgrading...

Hi Alexander.
Is perfect
PL OK!

Thank you.
Emanuela

[HandmadePSK]

Hi Alexander.
Is perfect
PL OK!

Thank you.
Emanuela

Thank you so much!

[HandmadePSK]

1:33 слово "самоборнІй". Я зробила деякий аналіз цього слова, так як не дуже його розуміла (не змістом, а наголосом). Що я знайшла стосовно нього: здається Куліш його вигадав, так як за запитом в гугл тільки цей вірш з ним виводиться пошуком (і гугл дуже хоче замінити його на "саморобний"), але походить воно від слова "борнЯ", що значить "боротьба", тому "самоборнЯ" -> "самоборнІй". Якщо міркувати з боку ритму вірша, то це ямб, тому наголос все одно падає на останній склад у цьому слові. Виправляти чи ні залишу на твій розсуд, так як це не дуже критично.

Здається є шарудіння в останніх п'яти хвилинах.

Спробуймо зара:

• https://librivox.org/uploads/maryannspiegel/conflict_schiller_uk_hmpsk_128kb.mp3
• Боротьба
• Ukrainian
• Пантелеймон Куліш (1819 - 1897)
• https://books.google.com.ua/books?id=DmNEAQAAMAAJ&dq=%D1%88%D1%96%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BB%D1%94%D1%80&hl=uk&pg=PA426#v=onepage&q&f=false
• 2:35

Там недосконалий перехід, але кращий навряд чи вийде, на цьому ноуті; хіба що переписати все.

[ShiNeko]

• https://librivox.org/uploads/maryannspiegel/conflict_schiller_uk_sap_128kb.mp3
• Боротьба
• Ukrainian
• Пантелеймон Куліш (1819 - 1897)
• https://books.google.com.ua/books?id=DmNEAQAAMAAJ&dq=%D1%88%D1%96%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BB%D1%94%D1%80&hl=uk&pg=PA426#v=onepage&q&f=false
• 2:46

[Piotrek81]

Since there's no other Polish reader willing to do this:

https://librivox.org/uploads/maryannspiegel/conflict_schiller_pl_pn81_128kb.mp3 1:35

Translator: Józef Dionizy Minasowicz (1792 - 1849)

Also, confused by what was actually going on in the Polish translation, I consulted the English one, and while some things are clearer now, I got the impression at times that I was reading a different piece. Translations of poetry are weird things...

[ShiNeko]

Since there's no other Polish reader willing to do this:

https://librivox.org/uploads/maryannspiegel/conflict_schiller_pl_pn81_128kb.mp3 1:35

Translator: Józef Dionizy Minasowicz (1792 - 1849)

Also, confused by what was actually going on in the Polish translation, I consulted the English one, and while some things are clearer now, I got the impression at times that I was reading a different piece. Translations of poetry are weird things...

Thanks! Yeah, Polish translation is slightly different (with Laura) but still have the same structure and meaning. Poetry is difficult for translation because translators need to make rhyme while keeping the author's meaning plus their own interpretation.

[ShiNeko]

Спробуймо зара:

PL OK!

[HandmadePSK]

PL OK!

MANY THANX!

[Piotrek81]

Since there's no other Polish reader willing to do this:

https://librivox.org/uploads/maryannspiegel/conflict_schiller_pl_pn81_128kb.mp3 1:35

Translator: Józef Dionizy Minasowicz (1792 - 1849)

Also, confused by what was actually going on in the Polish translation, I consulted the English one, and while some things are clearer now, I got the impression at times that I was reading a different piece. Translations of poetry are weird things...

Thanks! Yeah, Polish translation is slightly different (with Laura) but still have the same structure and meaning. Poetry is difficult for translation because translators need to make rhyme while keeping the author's meaning plus their own interpretation.

Do you want me to message NinaBrown to see if she is willing to pl the section?

[ShiNeko]

Do you want me to message NinaBrown to see if she is willing to pl the section?

Would be great.

[NinaBrown]

Here's the Polish translation https://polona.pl/item/twory-jozefa-dyonizego-minasowicza-t-4,ODg2MDcwMDc/90/#info:search:walka

(translator, Józef Dionizy Minasowicz, died in 1849, this collection was published in 1872, link to the title page with the publication date: https://polona.pl/item/twory-jozefa-dyonizego-minasowicza-t-4,ODg2MDcwMDc/4/#info )

I listened to the Polish version and it is PL OK. I don't have access to the magic window so couldn't change the status.
-nina-

[ShiNeko]

I listened to the Polish version and it is PL OK. I don't have access to the magic window so couldn't change the status.
-nina-

Thank you for PLing, Nina.

[czandra]

Les sections 7 et 8 sont approuvées, PL okay. Dans la section 7, le mot fuir est moins distinct que le même mot en 8, mais le refaire est optionnel.

Moi, je préfère la traduction élégante de 8, à l'exclamatoire de 7! C'est une éducation en traduction, en effet.

Czandra

[Isad]

Moi, je préfère la traduction élégante de 8, à l'exclamatoire de 7! C'est une éducation en traduction, en effet.
Czandra

Merci Czandra pour la vérification

C'est difficile en effet de traduire et de faire ressentir l'essence de ce que l'auteur a voulu dire, d'autant plus qu'il y a différentes interprétations possibles selon que l'on connaît ou non le contexte.

Bonne fin de week-end,
Isad