I ran into this with some of the Fables back in Volume 5. Lee Dunkelberg put his url into the comment field and it caused problems; they showed up as glyphs which apparently acted as some sort of control character. Removed the url and the problems disappeared.
It might have been coincidence, but at first blush it was caused by the url in the Comment field.
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My church puts MP3 files of the sermons on its Web site. The softwareChipDoc wrote:I ran into this with some of the Fables back in Volume 5. Lee Dunkelberg put his url into the comment field and it caused problems; they showed up as glyphs which apparently acted as some sort of control character. Removed the url and the problems disappeared.
route includes using RazorLame (GUI front-end for the LAME encoder) to
do the encoding. There is a "template" file which contains the processing
parameters, including command-line instructions to LAME for what to
put in the ID3 tag (both versions 1 and 2). In the Comment field goes
a credit line (like the LibriVox disclaimer); it includes the Web site
address in this form: "www.fbcboise.org" (no "http://"). I had been
moving it manually to the URL field, but the folks now doing this work
leave it in the Comment. No one has reported any problems, and I have
had none. I know someone with iTunes; I'll ask him to see if he has
trouble with these sermons files.
Chip, could you be more specific about what you mean by "choke" in the
problem iTunes had with URLs in the Comment field, so I have some idea
of what we're looking for? Did this happen on a Mac or Windows?
Felix, if you'd like to try the sermon files in iTunes, any of the three on this
page will do (they have the URL in the Comment field):
http://www.fbcboise.org/sermons/
It's pretty straightforward; the file wouldn't run at all. Sat there with all the titles showing in the display window of WMP (on Windows) but no amount of pressing the Play button could convince it to do anything.harvey wrote:Chip, could you be more specific about what you mean by "choke" in the problem iTunes had with URLs in the Comment field, so I have some idea of what we're looking for? Did this happen on a Mac or Windows?
Took a look at the file, and noticed that part of the url had converted to glyphs. Removed them and the file worked just fine.
Perhaps the fact that WMP doesn't see the url field keeps this from happening. Or perhaps it was something about the way Lee originally encoded the url. It did include the http:// but it was the stuff AFTER that which was in glyphs. In any case, removing the url fixed the problem and I really haven't thought about it since.
-Chip
Retired to Colorado
The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them.
~Mark Twain
Retired to Colorado
The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them.
~Mark Twain
I don't use iTunes but here's what I've noticed...
iTunes stores Sound Check Data in the mp3 file as a second comment.
This image shows one of the sermons in Mp3tag v2.35 - it looks okay...
until you expand the field and note the encoding after the \\...
I imagine that in some tag editors, this would appear more garbled or as glyphs.
What is the LibriVox policy regarding iTunes Sound Check Data?
In this week's Weekly Poetry, I've come across it a couple of times and simply deleted it.
My system specs: Windows XP Pro
iTunes stores Sound Check Data in the mp3 file as a second comment.
This image shows one of the sermons in Mp3tag v2.35 - it looks okay...
until you expand the field and note the encoding after the \\...
I imagine that in some tag editors, this would appear more garbled or as glyphs.
What is the LibriVox policy regarding iTunes Sound Check Data?
In this week's Weekly Poetry, I've come across it a couple of times and simply deleted it.
My system specs: Windows XP Pro
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Robert,RobertG wrote:I don't use iTunes but here's what I've noticed...
iTunes stores Sound Check Data in the mp3 file as a second comment.
This image shows one of the sermons in Mp3tag v2.35 - it looks okay...
until you expand the field and note the encoding after the \\...
I'm confused. You say you don't use iTunes, so where did the iTunes sound
check data come from? I just installed Mp3tag, and I don't see any of what
shows after the \\ in your expanded (wider?) view, in my downloaded copy
of the same sermon. As far as I know, iTunes is not being used in producing
the sermon files. For the previous two week's files, I'm certain it was not used.
Perplexed,
harvey
Hi Harvey,
I said that I didn't use iTunes, I didn't say that I didn't have it installed on my system! I've had just about everything cross this desk at one time or another and this computer is only a year old!
It could be something peculiar with my system but if that is the case-- I would be surprised if it doesn't happen on other systems.
Here's what I think happened and I'll try to recreate it with a different file from your church in Boise later on tonight or tomorrow.
But first, some history:
I recently unistalled my default mp3 player (WinAmp) because I purchased a Zen Microphoto and I like their player better and it's intergrated with my new hardware. Besides, WinAmp started nagging me about a new verison that I could pay $15 to upgrade to and I don't like nagging.
When I booted WinAmp out, that opportunistic iTunes moved in and took over the registry for mp3.
When I downloaded the sermon, I used the contextual menu in the tag editor to play it. iTunes of course launched and tried to sell me a whole bunch or rap songs. Your pastor would have been embarrassed by it all.
After crushing iTunes, the mysterious sound check code appeared in the comment file. I can only assume that iTunes wrote it during the play.
This is what may be happening on other systems where people check their recordings using iTunes.
That's about it. The only way you're going to get to tinker under my hood is by coming out to Seattle!
Robert
I said that I didn't use iTunes, I didn't say that I didn't have it installed on my system! I've had just about everything cross this desk at one time or another and this computer is only a year old!
It could be something peculiar with my system but if that is the case-- I would be surprised if it doesn't happen on other systems.
Here's what I think happened and I'll try to recreate it with a different file from your church in Boise later on tonight or tomorrow.
But first, some history:
I recently unistalled my default mp3 player (WinAmp) because I purchased a Zen Microphoto and I like their player better and it's intergrated with my new hardware. Besides, WinAmp started nagging me about a new verison that I could pay $15 to upgrade to and I don't like nagging.
When I booted WinAmp out, that opportunistic iTunes moved in and took over the registry for mp3.
When I downloaded the sermon, I used the contextual menu in the tag editor to play it. iTunes of course launched and tried to sell me a whole bunch or rap songs. Your pastor would have been embarrassed by it all.
After crushing iTunes, the mysterious sound check code appeared in the comment file. I can only assume that iTunes wrote it during the play.
This is what may be happening on other systems where people check their recordings using iTunes.
That's about it. The only way you're going to get to tinker under my hood is by coming out to Seattle!
Robert
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Just to clarify that long-winded response above. The curch files don't have the Sound Check Data. But if there are problems occurring due to files being recorded by those who use iTunes for listening to their recordings and adding the sound check data as a result, it should probably be addressed.
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I haven't checked the tag after playing in iTunes yet. However the files did play fine for me, the comment field however was truncated. Very strange thing indeed. However, you are right: Using the comment field for the URL is asking for trouble, so it should better be left out. If at all the URL could be placed in one of the URL fields, this should however happen automatically.
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iTunes test results for URL + Sound Check data
I did some experimenting on a friend's PC (running Windows XP Media
Center Edition) with iTunes, Windows Media Player (WMP), and Mp3tag.
iTunes has a feature to play all songs in its media library at the
same volume. This is a configurable option (something like Edit >
Options > [a tab I don't remember], then you check the box for "Sound
Check"; search the help for "sound check"). iTunes then proceeds to
check every audio file it knows about (on this PC they're all MP3
files). During this process, it adds the Sound Check data to the
Comment field of the ID3 tag. It does this whether or not the field
contains a URL.
Using Mp3tag, I added a URL to the Comment in one file before the
Sound Check data was added. It played okay in WMP both before and
after.
This suggests that URL + iTunes Sound check data is not the actual
cause of the problems that have been experienced. But if it does turn
out to sometimes be a problem, then, as RobertG suggests, this matter
should be addressed. Since adding the Sound Check data can be turned
off in iTunes, that seems the better solution than telling people not
to put URLs in the Comment (since so few programs display the content
of the URL field).
I did some experimenting on a friend's PC (running Windows XP Media
Center Edition) with iTunes, Windows Media Player (WMP), and Mp3tag.
iTunes has a feature to play all songs in its media library at the
same volume. This is a configurable option (something like Edit >
Options > [a tab I don't remember], then you check the box for "Sound
Check"; search the help for "sound check"). iTunes then proceeds to
check every audio file it knows about (on this PC they're all MP3
files). During this process, it adds the Sound Check data to the
Comment field of the ID3 tag. It does this whether or not the field
contains a URL.
Using Mp3tag, I added a URL to the Comment in one file before the
Sound Check data was added. It played okay in WMP both before and
after.
This suggests that URL + iTunes Sound check data is not the actual
cause of the problems that have been experienced. But if it does turn
out to sometimes be a problem, then, as RobertG suggests, this matter
should be addressed. Since adding the Sound Check data can be turned
off in iTunes, that seems the better solution than telling people not
to put URLs in the Comment (since so few programs display the content
of the URL field).
Need help with mp3splt-tdk (MP3 file splitter)
This splitter is recommended on the wiki, but I cannot see how to get
files opened in it to work on them. To avoid cluttering this thread,
I started a new one: http://librivox.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1608
This splitter is recommended on the wiki, but I cannot see how to get
files opened in it to work on them. To avoid cluttering this thread,
I started a new one: http://librivox.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1608
Enhancement for the Newbie Guide to Recording?
I'm wondering if this newbie guide should not mention alternatives to
recording with a computer. The idea is to cover the options that
people are likely to already own or be able to borrow, so they can
try their hand (or is that "voice"?) at recording without having to
spend (much) money to get started.
One example, mentioned else where on this site, is a digital audio
player (ie, MP3 player), which at least one volunteer uses for their
recordings.
Another option is a (cassette) tape recorder.
A third example is using a camcorder. Camcorders have outputs for
connecting them to TVs or VCRs for play-back. These can be used to
transfer the audio to a PC for editing
For the last two, the volunteer may need to buy an inexpensive cable
or connecters to hook the recorder to their PC.
I'm wondering if this newbie guide should not mention alternatives to
recording with a computer. The idea is to cover the options that
people are likely to already own or be able to borrow, so they can
try their hand (or is that "voice"?) at recording without having to
spend (much) money to get started.
One example, mentioned else where on this site, is a digital audio
player (ie, MP3 player), which at least one volunteer uses for their
recordings.
Another option is a (cassette) tape recorder.
A third example is using a camcorder. Camcorders have outputs for
connecting them to TVs or VCRs for play-back. These can be used to
transfer the audio to a PC for editing
For the last two, the volunteer may need to buy an inexpensive cable
or connecters to hook the recorder to their PC.
I've definitely done recordings with video cameras in the past. It can definitely be an option, but writing the video editing guide might be a bit out of our scope, but if we have time, I don't see why not.
Chris Vee
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"You never truly understand something until you can explain it to your grandmother." - Albert Einstein
We should definitely include some other options in the Newbie Guide. I've never tried recording with my mp3, so don't feel qualified to write about it.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination circles the world." Albert Einstein
You're correct: we don't want to deal with video editing. What I have in mindvee wrote:I've definitely done recordings with video cameras in the past. It can definitely be an option, but writing the video editing guide might be a bit out of our scope, but if we have time, I don't see why not.
is transferring just the audio to the PC. That's far simpler to do and means
that editing is done on audio, so the only instructions needed on the wiki are
help with the options for connecting the camcorder to the PC for the transfer.
I've done some recording with my MP3 player. I'm thinking that whatGesine wrote:We should definitely include some other options in the Newbie Guide.
I've never tried recording with my mp3, so don't feel qualified to write about it.
may be more valuable to a newbie than how-to instructions is advice on
how to approach this and pitfalls to look out for. For recording,
both in general and in particular with an MP3 player, getting the
recording volume set to a good level is key. (I'm working on
instructions for this, but it's turning out more involved than I had
anticipated. I'll add what I have to the wiki, even though it's only
about half done, if y'all think that would be valuable.)
Also, I made a start at adding recording alternatives to the newbie
guide: http://www.librivox.org/wiki/moin.cgi/NewbieGuideToRecording