COMPLETE: Two Treatises of Civil Gov't, by John Locke - lm

russiandoll · Post by **russiandoll** » December 3rd, 2008, 4:04 am

Illiterati wrote:PLed 10 and found it an image of perfection. What level of PL do you require here, as it is not noted in the project description?

Thank you, Illiterati! No, it's not, is it? I'm sorry about that. Leon didn't specify and since taking over the reins I've been a bit shy about making an executive decision on what's not 'my' project. I think in a work like this it would be good not to let through major mistakes that alter the meaning of crucial points, and not to have any inadvertent omissions, so PLing against the text would be helpful* if PLers don't mind.

In the cases of the two misreadings that libraryanne has noted, I don't think they're major enough (and as 'word-perfect' was not specified to the readers before sign-up either) that I'd refuse to catalogue if they're not fixed: i.e., I am happy to leave them to the readers' discretion. We are certainly WAY above our supposed 90% accuracy commitment (though that is a lot of inaccuracy), and in fact above the accuracy of the text source - I know I'm having to correct some scannos/typos as I go.

I hope that seems reasonable and you don't feel it undermines your careful work proofing against the text if changes are not 'enforced'?
Thanks again
rd

(By the way, I'm working on sec 11, but it's IMMENSE, and will be split into several parts.)

*The sections Andy Yu has kindly PLed may not have been, but I'm not going to worry about that.

ettelocin · Post by **ettelocin** » December 11th, 2008, 3:17 pm

hi! i just wanted to check in and say i'm working on it!

ettelocin · Post by **ettelocin** » December 11th, 2008, 3:30 pm

actually, i have a quick question - my chapter has several footnotes. how are we handling them?

thanks.

russiandoll · Post by **russiandoll** » December 12th, 2008, 1:47 am

ettelocin wrote:hi! i just wanted to check in and say i'm working on it!

Hi, ettelocin - Wonderful!

actually, i have a quick question - my chapter has several footnotes. how are we handling them?

Oh, it does, doesn't it? I don't think there are any in the whole of book 1, and having a quick glance at some other chapters in book 2, they seem extremely few and far between, but you have got a nice cluster! Well, from the footnote in ch 15, 'Another copy corrected by Mr. Locke, has it thus, Noxious brute that is destructive to their being', it appears that the footnotes are probably the work of the editor, Hollis, so not part of Locke's work. This footnote is omitted in the recording, as is one in another section I have just spot-checked to see what other readers were doing. You do not need to include them, therefore, either to be consistent with the rest of the project or, it seems, to be true to Locke, and if it were me I probably wouldn't.

If you think, however, in working on your section, that they really add something that will be helpful to a listener's understanding of the text, and you would like to read them, you may. (We are, after all, giving Thomas Hollis his editing credit at the end of the recording and on the catalogue page.) If so, I would suggest putting them at the end of the sentence in which they appear, as: 'Footnote to the words 'xxx xxx'.... End of footnote'.

[My multi-part section 11 is recorded and will be up within a day or two, and I'll drop d.e. and Leon a line.]

russiandoll · Post by **russiandoll** » December 13th, 2008, 4:15 am

Parts 1-3 of section 11 are up; one to come!

(Edit - all four are there now.)

ettelocin · Post by **ettelocin** » December 14th, 2008, 4:16 pm

Hi russiandoll,

thanks for your advice on the footnotes! upon reading the section, they didn't seem so necessary, so i left them out for simplicity's sake.

here it is...
link: http://upload.librivox.org/share/uploads/lm/twotreatises_18_locke.mp3
duration:28:14

russiandoll · Post by **russiandoll** » December 15th, 2008, 2:06 am

Thank you! It's in the window.

d.e.wittkower · Post by **d.e.wittkower** » December 24th, 2008, 10:50 am

Here are my sections:

http://upload.librivox.org/share/uploads/lm/twotreatises_12_locke.mp3
4:16

http://upload.librivox.org/share/uploads/lm/twotreatises_13_locke.mp3
21:16

http://upload.librivox.org/share/uploads/lm/twotreatises_14_locke.mp3
10:45

http://upload.librivox.org/share/uploads/lm/twotreatises_15_locke.mp3
5:07

http://upload.librivox.org/share/uploads/lm/twotreatises_16_locke.mp3
45:27

Please note, I *did* re-record all sections (as I said I probably would, back in July), so section 12 needs to be replaced with the new section 12, and needs to be re-prooflistened.

Hope you agree the re-recording is worth it! Thanks!

russiandoll · Post by **russiandoll** » December 28th, 2008, 1:57 pm

Wonderful! Thank you, d.e.
I've just listened to some snatches and they sound great. They're all in the window. I'll try and do a bit of PL myself in the next couple of days.

Illiterati · Post by **Illiterati** » December 28th, 2008, 4:44 pm

PL section 11, part 1;
at 06:37 regal read as legal. That's it, really. Will continue later with the rest of this gargantuan chapter.

russiandoll · Post by **russiandoll** » December 29th, 2008, 5:26 am

Gah! Ok, thank you. Will fix it.

Illiterati · Post by **Illiterati** » December 30th, 2008, 5:47 am

PL Sections 11a-11c ok. Thank you, rd.

For some reason I find your reading really soothing on my wiry nerves. Maybe I should make this a sticky on my ipod.

Poor Robert, feel a bit sorry for him. Wonder how his entrance to any meeting of society went the next time. This is really an exercise in victory by superior firepower from John here.

Illiterati · Post by **Illiterati** » December 30th, 2008, 7:33 am

PL section 4 OK.

Quite impressive with the Hebrew in there as well. Sorry I could not PL those parts very credibly. I am rather limited with my abilities in that regard. I took down the times of those parts, however, if you would like to pass them to a Hebrew-speaking PLer to check.

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russiandoll · Post by **russiandoll** » December 30th, 2008, 9:06 am

Illiterati wrote:PL Sections 11a-11c ok. Thank you, rd.

For some reason I find your reading really soothing on my wiry nerves. Maybe I should make this a sticky on my ipod.

And thank you. Glad you've been finding it an enjoyable experience!

Poor Robert, feel a bit sorry for him. Wonder how his entrance to any meeting of society went the next time. This is really an exercise in victory by superior firepower from John here.

It is, isn't it?

I kind of get the feeling Locke got quite carried away, noticing more and more errors and inconsistencies the longer he spent at it, and not wanting to let a single one go unmentioned! It is very hard to see how anyone could possibly defend Filmer's book afterwards - but it must have been quite influential at the time to have been worth the bother.

PL section 4 OK.

Quite impressive with the Hebrew in there as well. Sorry I could not PL those parts very credibly. I am rather limited with my abilities in that regard. I took down the times of those parts, however, if you would like to pass them to a Hebrew-speaking PLer to check.

The Hebrew was apparently horribly corrupted in the text, but was unpicked by hefyd's scholarly eye, with input from Hebrew-speaking Miss Stav too, and an online Hebrew audio Old Testament, so although the pronunciation is obviously not 'native' (as I like to imagine Locke's wouldn't have been

), I'm reasonably sure the words are right.

russiandoll · Post by **russiandoll** » December 31st, 2008, 10:51 am

Section 23 PLed. As I was listening in Audacity anyway, I took the liberty of snipping out one repeated phrase and accompanying clicks, and cutting a few seconds off the silence at the end to bring it down to five. The file with these minor fixes is uploading now and is OK to catalogue. Thank you, Ashwin!

And section 24 PLed - again, I cut a chunk of silence off the end (we only need 5 seconds where files are under 30 mins), and also shortened a long mid-sentence silence at 20:35.