Good practice guidelines for dramatic works

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redrun wrote: November 2nd, 2024, 9:50 pm Well, I've jumped the gun and updated that Launch Pad thread with instructions for starting dramatic works. :mrgreen:
Compared to the other instruction threads, it's a little heavy, but... a fair bit is stuff you'll likely address on that wiki page, so it can be slimmed down then. :wink:
I've finished drafting/editing that "How to Become a Dramatic Reading/Play Coordinator" page now, and I've posted it as a Google Doc here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mk9mK1D3R-jAEe0YKgpaT5Twhil7lE6t/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=113710002739939344391&rtpof=true&sd=true

Would love some feedback on whether I've left anything out, got anything wrong, put too much in, etc., etc.

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Winnifred wrote: November 7th, 2024, 6:39 pm I've finished drafting/editing that "How to Become a Dramatic Reading/Play Coordinator" page now, and I've posted it as a Google Doc here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mk9mK1D3R-jAEe0YKgpaT5Twhil7lE6t/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=113710002739939344391&rtpof=true&sd=true

Would love some feedback on whether I've left anything out, got anything wrong, put too much in, etc., etc.

Many thanks,
Hi Winnifred, great job! I did have a few suggestions though.

- In the section on DR limits, you might also want to add that this applies to DRs that are part of a Scene and Story collection too as people often seen unaware of that
- When a play act is complete or ready for cataloguing (and I believe this is the case for DRs too) the BC is also supposed to assign all readers who appear in that act to it in the MW. A helpful trick mightyfelix taught me was that if you hover over the names in the MW (which you usually have clustered below the acts they're in) it shows their reader number so you just type in all of the numbers to assign everyone at once with commas and space like when you assign multiple sections at once. I'd recommend mentioning that so people are aware they need to do that (unless that is just plays, ask an MC to be sure) I think it's also good when ready to catalogue to put the finished sections at the top in order as the MC will need to delete all the extraneous parts below, helps them out a bit I believe
- In the section on the cast list you say "If your MC asks" to do it but as far as I'm aware that's always something the BC is supposed to do
- This is the most subjective suggestion but I think your calculating section is a bit unclear and I would consider recommending splitting it into how to calculate sections and advice on how to order the MW, that's what the second paragraph seems to be more about and the first just talks about plays. It's also worth noting the BC has the option to add sections but cannot remove them so personally I think it's better to just calculate the number normally for how many parts appear in each act + how many acts then you can add any extra sections later to help split the MW when organizing it.

Those are my two cents anyway, the rest seems pretty good and your hard work in organizing this stuff is commendable :thumbs:
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Inkell wrote: November 8th, 2024, 5:48 am
Those are my two cents anyway, the rest seems pretty good and your hard work in organizing this stuff is commendable :thumbs:
Thanks, Inkell! Those are great points and I'm going to incorporate them all.

It wasn't all that hard to do; I cribbed shamelessly from existing materials, then filled in more details from my own experience (I'm currently setting up a DR for The Wouldbegoods). Thinking hard about the process while doing both that setup and the Wiki page is really helpful.

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Inkell wrote: November 8th, 2024, 5:48 am I did have a few suggestions though. For which I am very thankful!

- In the section on DR limits, you might also want to add that this applies to DRs that are part of a Scene and Story collection too as people often seen unaware of that. Added.

- When a play act is complete or ready for cataloguing (and I believe this is the case for DRs too) the BC is also supposed to assign all readers who appear in that act to it in the MW. Added. (Yes, I've done it/seen it done in DRs as well.)

I think it's also good when ready to catalogue to put the finished sections at the top in order as the MC will need to delete all the extraneous parts below, helps them out a bit I believe Added.

- In the section on the cast list you say "If your MC asks" to do it but as far as I'm aware that's always something the BC is supposed to do Removed "If Your MC asks." If that's wrong, hopefully someone will let me know.

- This is the most subjective suggestion but I think your calculating section is a bit unclear Agreed. I split it into the basic instructions, first for plays, then DRs, and then covered MW organization in a separate paragraph.
Let me know if you think any of this is still unclear.

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You asked for comments and I am impressed with it all , thank you ...... but - notice it is a small but :D, I think the bit about setting up the MW is not easy to describe - maybe an embedded illustration or more could help ?

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annise wrote: November 8th, 2024, 6:21 pm You asked for comments and I am impressed with it all , thank you ...... but - notice it is a small but :D, I think the bit about setting up the MW is not easy to describe - maybe an embedded illustration or more could help ?

Anne
Oh, I like that idea! I shall dive into the possibilities and see what I can come up with.

Thanks!
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Hm. Is it possible to add an image to the Librivox Wiki? I don't see how.

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You can - I knew once upon a time (when people first started making M4Bs we couldn't so had to find somewhere for them and I made a "catalogue" with images and links in the wiki , and the "banners" are displayed too but it was a long time ago. Let me think - and maybe some else will leap in - but it is definitely possible

example https://wiki.librivox.org/index.php?title=Promotional_Material
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annise wrote: November 8th, 2024, 10:30 pm You can - I knew once upon a time (when people first started making M4Bs we couldn't so had to find somewhere for them and I made a "catalogue" with images and links in the wiki , and the "banners" are displayed too but it was a long time ago. Let me think - and maybe some else will leap in - but it is definitely possible
I got some relevant information from redrun. Will try it out again in the next few days and let you know if it works.

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Looking good!

As you might expect from me, though, I have nit-picks about terminology. (A "pedant" is one who can both spell and pronounce the word "pedantry". ...if I ever record the word now, then people will know! :lol: )

1. Under "Find Your Narrator...", I'd take out the bit about not being able to do all the jobs - you don't need someone to PL your own parts before you edit them into the chapter/act, for example. Really, the only "no-no" is that you can't be the one to both edit and PL the same, final file. :wink:
Maybe something more like this?
If you are doing the editing yourself, then you will need someone to proof-listen the edited chapters/acts for you. If you're already PLing parts, then you can recruit a DPL to do just this "final PL". In that case, you can recruit them later on in the project, when roles have been submitted and you are ready to start editing.

2. As-written, some folks might read that there's some contrast between a "DPL", and a "Parts-PL" - as though the two are alternatives or opposites.
True picture: The alternative to PLing individual, reader-submitted parts is PLing final, edited-together files: those are two different stages of the PLing work. The BC might delegate either or both, and the person they delegate to, in any case, is called the DPL. If, for some reason or other, you delegate these separately to two different volunteers, then what you have is two DPLs, with a clear but very lop-sided distribution of work.
Misunderstanding: If people instead see "DPL" and "Parts-PL" as being different roles, then they might think that the "Parts-PLer" does all the work, while the "DPL" is asked to sign onto the project before it starts... only to sit on their hands until the editing begins. This impression, once received, can be very hard to correct. :shock:

We don't need dedicated hand-sitters ( :lol: ). Your MC doesn't care if you are PLing parts, or if you've recruited a helper - who we will call "DPL" - to help with this stage of PLing. Your MC only cares that you are both clear on who will be doing it. PLing the final files is something you can worry about later in the project.

There are a few places that pair these two terms, but how's this as an update for the beginning of "Dedicated Proof Listener"?
You will need to make sure that readers get feedback on their submissions in a reasonably timely fashion. If you will not be PLing the readers' parts yourself, then you will need to recruit a Dedicated Proof Listener in advance. Make sure they understand that you expect them to PL each individual file from the readers, and they will need to follow along with your script to make sure the lines are all there. (You can find more detailed information at [insert wiki link: intro to PLing a dramatic work].)
If you are proof-listening parts, but cannot PL the finalized acts/chapters (e.g., because you're also the editor), then you don't need a DPL until later on in the project. When you ask for a volunteer, be sure to specify that you only need help with the final files.
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Hey, I like pedantry, especially when I'm looking for feedback. And I can pronounce it too! :lol:

I took your suggestions, did a bit of editing, and I think I've captured all your ideas. Feel free to tell me if you don't think I succeeded.

Now I'm back to adding images to the MW instructions...

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Even better! Just one more tweak to suggest, for the bottom of the DPL section:
Indicate in the first post of your project (or somewhere clearly posted at the top of the project thread) who will be PLing reader submissions. Your MC needs to know that you and your DPL (if you have one) are clear on that.
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redrun wrote: November 9th, 2024, 3:32 pm Even better! Just one more tweak to suggest, for the bottom of the DPL section:
Indicate in the first post of your project (or somewhere clearly posted at the top of the project thread) who will be PLing reader submissions. Your MC needs to know that you and your DPL (if you have one) are clear on that.
Replaced the last sentence I had there with yours. Definitely clearer.

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annise wrote: November 8th, 2024, 6:21 pm You asked for comments and I am impressed with it all , thank you ...... but - notice it is a small but :D, I think the bit about setting up the MW is not easy to describe - maybe an embedded illustration or more could help ?

Anne
I had to trot out some long-unused skills to do this (which I enjoy doing!), but there are now three images in the MW section and one in the Assign Readers to All Chapters section. There's a lot of code around them just now because I'm trying to set this up so I can just flow everything into the Wiki without having to do a lot more coding over there, but I promise it will all look cleaner in the final version.

I think it's getting there!

Let me know if any of it is unclear, or if you think these images don't work. I took screenshots of existing projects for this purpose.

Thanks,
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Looks good start :D - Anne
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