~[Italiano] Le Rime di Guido Cavalcanti - kaz

[Iunta4Ios]

I have two questions for this sonnet.

> is the author Cavalcanti here again ?
> "monna" is that an abbreviation for "madonna" ? I'm not sure I pronounced the sentence correctly, if not...

well you correct me if anything is wrong

https://librivox.org/uploads/kazbek/rime_082_cavalcanti_128kb.mp3
Recording time: 1:13 min.

have a good evening still

Sonia

I will check it asap, but I am afraid not before Sunday, since I have a conference in Parma tomorrow and on Saturday.
Pier

[Kitty]

I will check it asap, but I am afraid not before Sunday, since I have a conference in Parma tomorrow and on Saturday.

yes no hurry, I can wait I hope you have a good trip to Parma.

Sonia

[Iunta4Ios]

I have two questions for this sonnet.

> is the author Cavalcanti here again ?
> "monna" is that an abbreviation for "madonna" ? I'm not sure I pronounced the sentence correctly, if not...

well you correct me if anything is wrong

https://librivox.org/uploads/kazbek/rime_082_cavalcanti_128kb.mp3
Recording time: 1:13 min.

have a good evening still

Sonia

Pl O.K
Monna is for Madonna and your pronunciation is correct (even if the double n is not so evident in your pronunciation).
It seems to me that this sonetto is attributed by this edition to Cavalcanti, but the attribution is doubtful, mainly for the name of “Guido”in the text. Some critics attribute it to Dante: see:

https://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/amore-e-monna-lagia-e-guido-ed-io_(Enciclopedia-Dantesca)/
and
https://www.academia.edu/35668807/Per_l_interpretazione_di_Amore_e_monna_Lagia_e_Guido_ed_io

So, I don’t know if is better to say in our project “di Guido Cavalcanti” o “attribuito a Guido Cavalcanti” or something similar.
What is your opinion on this matter? And what can Michael suggest?
Pier

[Kitty]

Pl O.K
Monna is for Madonna and your pronunciation is correct (even if the double n is not so evident in your pronunciation).
It seems to me that this sonetto is attributed by this edition to Cavalcanti, but the attribution is doubtful, mainly for the name of “Guido”in the text. Some critics attribute it to Dante

ah I thought with Guido he meant his friend Guido d'Orlandi they were both called Guido after all

And thanks for the PL ok. Glad to hear I got them all right, because this one wasn't easy.

Sonia

[Kazbek]

It's not the only poem in this edition whose attribution is doubtful, so I think it would be odd to treat it in a special way. Particularly, the entire first half is no longer included in modern editions of Cavalcante. In the second volume of Poeti del duecento, Gianfranco Contini (who calls this series "Corona di casistica amorosa" and lists it under Vicini degli stilnovisti / "Amico di Dante") provides a historical overview of how different editors analyzed its authorship.

Michael

[Iunta4Ios]

It's not the only poem in this edition whose attribution is doubtful, so I think it would be odd to treat it in a special way...

Michael

O.K.
Thanks Michael,
Pier

[Iunta4Ios]

Sezioni 75, 76 e 77:
https://librivox.org/uploads/kazbek/rime_075_cavalcanti_128kb.mp3
(1:23)
https://librivox.org/uploads/kazbek/rime_076_cavalcanti_128kb.mp3
(1:28)
https://librivox.org/uploads/kazbek/rime_077_cavalcanti_128kb.mp3
(1:19)
Pier

[Kitty]

I could do section 83. Ballata, Poi che di doglia cor conven ch'i' porti

Sonia

[Iunta4Ios]

I could do section 83. Ballata, Poi che di doglia cor conven ch'i' porti

Sonia

Assigned.
Pier

[Kitty]

here is the ballata, I think this one was a bit easier for me, so I hope I didn't make too many mistakes:

https://librivox.org/uploads/kazbek/rime_083_cavalcanti_128kb.mp3
Recording time: 1:20 min.

have a good weekend

Sonia

[Iunta4Ios]

here is the ballata, I think this one was a bit easier for me, so I hope I didn't make too many mistakes:

https://librivox.org/uploads/kazbek/rime_083_cavalcanti_128kb.mp3
Recording time: 1:20 min.

have a good weekend

Sonia

Good Sonia!
But my usual small observation on accents cannot be missing :
At 43 s “pianger”: the accet is on the “a”. piànger. It seems to me you read with the accent on the “e” : piangèr.
A very good weekend to you too!
Pier

[Kitty]

But my usual small observation on accents cannot be missing :
At 43 s “pianger”: the accet is on the “a”. piànger. It seems to me you read with the accent on the “e” : piangèr.

I actually should have know this... thanks for correcting my silly mistakes.

https://librivox.org/uploads/kazbek/rime_083_cavalcanti_128kb.mp3
Recording time: 1:20 min.

I only re-recorded "pianger' amore", the rest stays the same

Sonia

[Iunta4Ios]

https://librivox.org/uploads/kazbek/rime_083_cavalcanti_128kb.mp3
Recording time: 1:20 min.

I only re-recorded "pianger' amore", the rest stays the same

Sonia

PL O.K.
Pier

[Kitty]

PL O.K.

grazie

Sonia

[Iunta4Ios]

Sezione 79, Canzone:
https://librivox.org/uploads/kazbek/rime_079_cavalcanti_128kb.mp3
(5:09)
Pier