[Solo History] A History of the Papacy, Vol III by Mandell Creighton - loa

pattymarie · Post by **pattymarie** » February 27th, 2024, 1:41 pm

Section 4 is pl ok.

pnagami · Post by **pnagami** » March 1st, 2024, 7:27 am

Thank you, Pattymarie!

Pam

pnagami · Post by **pnagami** » March 2nd, 2024, 8:45 am

Hi Pattymarie,

Section 5 is up:

12:12

https://librivox.org/uploads/lorda/historyofthepapacyviii_05_creighton_128kb.mp3

My best,

Pam

pnagami · Post by **pnagami** » March 6th, 2024, 7:52 am

Hi Pattymarie,

Section 6 is up:

24:40

https://librivox.org/uploads/lorda/historyofthepapacyviii_06_creighton_128kb.mp3

My best,

Pam

pattymarie · Post by **pattymarie** » March 10th, 2024, 1:25 pm

Sections 5 and 6 are pl ok. I wonder how many people today know who Anchises was, or even Aeneas, at least in the mythology enshrined in the Aeneid.

pnagami · Post by **pnagami** » March 11th, 2024, 6:42 am

Hi Pattymarie,

Thank you and yes, we both know, for whatever reason!

Pam

pattymarie · Post by **pattymarie** » March 11th, 2024, 1:22 pm

pnagami wrote: ↑March 11th, 2024, 6:42 am Hi Pattymarie,

...we both know, for whatever reason!

Pam

For me it's growing up in a time and place in which Latin was taught at the public high school and translating parts of the Aeneid, then reading the whole epic in English translation in college world lit.

pnagami · Post by **pnagami** » March 11th, 2024, 7:37 pm

Whoa! Impressive!

I did read Horace and Lucretius in Latin, but later in life. And I read the “Aeneid” in translation, too.

Pam

pnagami · Post by **pnagami** » March 12th, 2024, 7:10 am

Hi Pattymarie,

Section 7 is up:

26:03

https://librivox.org/uploads/lorda/historyofthepapacyviii_07_creighton_128kb.mp3

My best,

Pam

pnagami · Post by **pnagami** » March 17th, 2024, 7:46 am

Hi Pattymarie,

Section 8 is up:

25:39

https://librivox.org/uploads/lorda/historyofthepapacyviii_08_creighton_128kb.mp3

Ah, the wiles of diplomacy!

My best,

Pam

pattymarie · Post by **pattymarie** » March 19th, 2024, 3:03 pm

Sectıons 7 and 8 are pl ok.

I loved Creighton's extensive and superbly articulate portrait of Aeneas's louche character eloquently limning a myriad of details that many people today would sum up with a vulgar epithet or two. Creighton's encapsulation of all Aeneas's disgraceful traits and deeds as "frivolity and absence of principle" and of the man as "a selfish voluptuary" are priceless.

pnagami · Post by **pnagami** » March 19th, 2024, 3:09 pm

I agree, Pattymarie, and I love your word louche!

Actually, I love the whole paragraph you wrote.

Thanks!

Pam

pnagami · Post by **pnagami** » March 21st, 2024, 6:59 am

Hi Pattymarie,

Section 9 is up:

28:30

https://librivox.org/uploads/lorda/historyofthepapacyviii_09_creighton_128kb.mp3

The end of Eugenius IV.

My best,

Pam

pattymarie · Post by **pattymarie** » March 26th, 2024, 11:06 am

pnagami wrote: ↑March 19th, 2024, 3:09 pm I agree, Pattymarie, and I love your word louche!

Actually, I love the whole paragraph you wrote.

Thanks!

Pam

That's the first time I've used that word in my own right. I learned it years ago from a woman applying it to some of the leaders of the crusades in a review of a book about those ventures. It was recalled to my mind a few months ago when accusations of possibly criminal misconduct of that sort started to come out against the comedian/actor/news reporter and commentator Russel Brand. In a column about Russel's career and behavior and the way women pursued him in his younger years mirroring trends in our society, Melanie Phillips described the RB she knew of over a decade ago as "a louche, lewd, drug addicted motormouth spouting far left and anarchistic" ideas. I take Russel's word that the activities of his promiscuous youth were consensual on both sides and that he has changed. I haven't read or listened to any of his books, but I've somehow picked up that he claims first to have had what I call a new age type of spiritual awakening, which, though it falls short of salvation in Christ, can change values and behavior. Then, a stable marriage and children such as he now has tends to make erstwhile profligates clean up their act. He's far from my only source of news and opinion, but I appreciate him for scouring the internet for news and commentary I would never come across from sources as disparate as the Jacobin and the Telegraph and others such as independent substack writers or periodicals I never hear of until he reads and comments on something from them.

Section 9 is pl ok.

pnagami · Post by **pnagami** » March 27th, 2024, 5:36 am

Thanks, Pattymarie!

RB is a fascinating character, I agree. A louche past seems likely.

I think Shakespeare might have approved of this Trinculo in "The Tempest," 2010.

Pam