Skipping a chapter of diagrams

InTheDesert · Post by **InTheDesert** » December 5th, 2020, 11:53 am

On my list of things to read is the Primer issued under Edward VI. Unfortunately, while the second chapter onwards lends itself very well to being read aloud, the first chapter is commentary on a series of diagrams and tables that simply cannot be reproduced auditorily. The commentary around it is meaningless if you can't see the diagram. Is there ever scope to just skip a chapter like this in the recording process?

The relevant pages (p.360-369):
https://archive.org/details/twoliturgiesad1500churuoft/page/360/mode/2up

Thanks in advance for any help on this.

schrm · Post by **schrm** » December 5th, 2020, 11:09 pm

well, i'm not the best advice giver...
but was given this unwritten rule: "don't omit or change what the author wrote"."

so, there are some possibilities (without any rating or meaning):
1. read it as excerpt, not the whole book. you could even make a themed collection out of this book: texts i have chosen from this book
2. preclaim and make the cover - and add the diagramms and tables as booklet
3. read it all, including the diagrams.
4. mention it in the book summary... a link to these pages for people, who want to follow the text and take a look at these pages
6. i'm sure there are more options.. like: 5. don't read this book (i wrote, i don't want to rate, but...)

cheers,
wolfi

InTheDesert · Post by **InTheDesert** » December 6th, 2020, 7:58 am

Sounds like the excuse I need to launch "The Reformation Collection Volume 1"

schrm · Post by **schrm** » December 6th, 2020, 8:11 am

InTheDesert wrote: ↑
December 6th, 2020, 7:58 am
Sounds like the excuse I need to launch "The Reformation Collection Volume 1"

as a fellow bc, i tell bc, always:

do it!

Post by **TriciaG** » December 6th, 2020, 11:54 am

I didn't read it word for word, but it looks to me like you could record most of that chapter without referring to the diagrams and just skip pages 365-368. I agree with putting a note in the intro/summary that the chapter might make more sense to the listener if they refer to the tables and diagrams in the text, but at a quick glance it appears to be readable.

InTheDesert · Post by **InTheDesert** » December 7th, 2020, 11:55 pm

TriciaG wrote: ↑
December 6th, 2020, 11:54 am
I didn't read it word for word, but it looks to me like you could record most of that chapter without referring to the diagrams and just skip pages 365-368. I agree with putting a note in the intro/summary that the chapter might make more sense to the listener if they refer to the tables and diagrams in the text, but at a quick glance it appears to be readable.

Would it be permissible to add (just as I would if part of the text is missing) "Here there is a diagram in the printed text"?

Post by **TriciaG** » December 8th, 2020, 6:28 am

I think that would be fine. We often describe the diagrams if we can, but these look hard to describe (and would take a lot of audio to do it). You could simply say something like, "Circular diagram in the printed text" or "Diagram of a numerical table", etc. - a very short description of the diagram - if you wanted.

InTheDesert · Post by **InTheDesert** » December 28th, 2020, 10:10 pm

Let me re-use this thread for another question about the same book:
https://archive.org/details/twoliturgiesad1500churuoft/page/356/mode/2up

What would be the best option for the author?

The name most closely associated with this Primer is King Edward VI, though he only commisioned it and wrote the preface. He did nonetheless produce some treatises himself on other theological subjects.
At least one section was prepared by a certain Thomas Cottesford but certainly not most of it.
The Primer "borrows much of its content from the 1552 Book of Common Prayer" which was written by Thomas Cranmer.

schrm · Post by **schrm** » December 29th, 2020, 6:17 am

another question which i probably won't give the best answers to

i discussed this with sonia 2 weeks ago - regarding a book, which was published by a catholic print club.
when there is research (or speculation) included (and not eg just a simple pseudonym used), it is unsure who wrote this article, or that passage, or.. i decided to use something like: by an unknown author (useful from newspaper articles to whole books), or keep my attributions strictly to the given data in the book.

what i saw, there are credentials, which are void for the whole book. so you could probably say something like:
edited and published for the parker society - by rev. joseph ketley
https://archive.org/details/twoliturgiesad1500churuoft/page/n7/mode/2up

Post by **TriciaG** » December 29th, 2020, 8:24 am

InTheDesert wrote: ↑
December 28th, 2020, 10:10 pm
Let me re-use this thread for another question about the same book:
https://archive.org/details/twoliturgiesad1500churuoft/page/356/mode/2up

What would be the best option for the author?

The name most closely associated with this Primer is King Edward VI, though he only commisioned it and wrote the preface. He did nonetheless produce some treatises himself on other theological subjects.

At least one section was prepared by a certain Thomas Cottesford but certainly not most of it.

The Primer "borrows much of its content from the 1552 Book of Common Prayer" which was written by Thomas Cranmer.

The Archive contributor used "Church of England." Would that work?