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elengi21
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Post by elengi21 » July 12th, 2020, 8:41 am

Hi, I have recorded audiobooks in professional quality for this book (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burhi_Aair_Sadhu), a famous collection of short stories in a language called Assamese. But I am not sure what process I have to follow to get approved. I am reasonably certain I am the only native speaker of Assamese on this forum. And hence, don't have a body of knowledge to refer to. I would very much appreciate if you guide me how to proceed on this.

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Post by tovarisch » July 12th, 2020, 10:34 am

I am sure an admin will chime in soon. While they haven't, I will share what I know.

The process we always follow here has the approval at the beginning, then recording, then proof-listening, then publishing. Since the books are in the public domain, you're probably fine as far as the approval goes.

Once the project has been set up for you (I suppose it's going to be a solo), you can edit your recordings so they are up to LibriVox standards, upload them, and await a proof-listener. Without a proof-listener's "OK" the recordings will likely be just sitting there, and will not get published...

Have you done your 1-minute test yet? I highly recommend not to put it off.
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Post by mightyfelix » July 12th, 2020, 11:22 am

I can think of two possible obstacles to this. Not insurmountable, hopefully, but we'd need to address them.
  1. While the original work is in the public domain, according to this information, it doesn't necessarily follow that there are no copyrights attached to the edition you read from. We'd need information about the specific edition that you used. Did you find it online? If so, we'll need a link to the website. Did you read from a physical book? In that case, we'll need a scan or photograph of the title page and publishing information, with the publishing year included.
  2. You may be right that you're the only native speaker of this language. We don't yet have any Assamese works in the catalogue. It may even be that you're the only speaker of it at all, native or otherwise. That will make it difficult to find a proof listener. Not impossible, necessarily. There have been instances when someone will agree to proof listen to a language they themselves don't understand. It's not ideal, certainly, because if there are slips such as replacing one word with another, they probably wouldn't be able to catch it. But they could at least let you know if there are stumbles or static or distracting background noises, things like that.
For now, let's start with #1. Give us some information about the edition you read from. :)

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Post by elengi21 » July 15th, 2020, 10:21 am

Hi @tovarisch,

Thank you very much for the response. A few responses:

* This is not a solo project. Quite a few volunteers are involved. Infact, the voices in the audiobook are professional radio announcers and this volunteer project brings us together.
* LibriVox standards - I am sure it is above that. It's professionally recorded in a Radio studio.
* Proof-listener - Do I count as a proof-listener? I am not the voice in the audio and have obviously gone through the entire thing. However, I am quite likely the only speaker of the language here.
* Since I am not the audio, do I need the 1-minute audio test?

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Post by elengi21 » July 15th, 2020, 10:32 am

Hi @mightyfelix,

Thank you so much for the response.

1. There is only one version of this story book. In fact, we used the one on WikiSource where the entire book (30 stories) is digitized. We have been spending a lot of time doing open-linguistics work. Hence, our interest in Wikipedia, Librivox etc.

Book: https://as.wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%A6%AC%E0%A7%81%E0%A6%A2%E0%A6%BC%E0%A7%80_%E0%A6%86%E0%A6%87%E0%A7%B0_%E0%A6%B8%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%A7%E0%A7%81

Chapter that will first post: https://as.wikisource.org/wiki/%E0%A6%A2%E0%A7%8B%E0%A6%81%E0%A7%B0%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%95%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%89%E0%A7%B0%E0%A7%80_%E0%A6%86%E0%A7%B0%E0%A7%81_%E0%A6%9F%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AA%E0%A6%9A%E0%A7%80%E0%A6%9A%E0%A7%B0%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%87

2. Thank you for being flexible about proof-reading.

I have uploaded the first chapter to Soundcloud if it interests you: https://soundcloud.com/msaharia/testfile-audiobook

This story is about a bird and a person. Hence, you will hear some bird and nature sounds.

I hope you will find the quality professional enough. It has been recorded in a professional radio station studio and the speakers are all experienced voice over artists who do this as community volunteer.

We would very much appreciate the work to be preserved for the ages through Librivox.

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Post by schrm » July 15th, 2020, 11:03 am

hi everyone,

i was nosy and listened to the file.
also i looked up the book on wikisource.

i want to be honest. we are a volunteer project and we need to be sure about some things..
in the worst case scenario of "we" getting sued, we won't be able to keep up our work..
so, i feel the need to repeat some basic informations and some details, devorah and tovarish have asked for:

1. the book has to be published before 1925. that is us-american law and we have to obey that. ideally, the scan of the book shows the print-year on the first page.
2. the book should be public domain where you are. otherwise you can get problems- or your ip-owner...
3. every single reader has to put his reading into the public domain (worldwide, and/or similar laws). without that, every single reader can have copy rights in some countries, eg europe.
4. there is music in your recordings. many little scenes and bells and whistles. in general: we cannot publish music, which is not in the public domain. i doubt, there is someone on librivox who can look up, proove or estimate, that a song is in the public domain, or not.
5. the technical standards we follow are because we use archive.org, who host our books. despite your productions being perfect studio quality, we follow our thing. to learn about our tech basics, to learn about our way to produce a book, our rules we have to follow, we have the 1 minute test and try to publish books read in groups. in your case, the books would have to be cut, formatted, edited...
and all of that, maybe, to the worse. because, listening to your recording is like listening to high quality, professional radio. we don't produce radioshows and we cannot buy them. if a radio channel puts that show into the public domain, we wouldn't publish it as librivox work, too. we have a blog, which may have some similarities, but that's it.

all in all, i hope a mc will answer and correct me.
my two cents are:
for a librivox work, there are too many differences to works published by librivoxer users.
and while i do think, you are aware of your responsibilities! ...we cannot take them over from you.

but: i do recommend to publish your audiobooks yourself.
eg.: everyone can upload on archive.org. (you can upload the books on audible, too. if you meet the tech specs of audible books, there is no problem. some people edit and upload librivox books there, too. but audible books are not for free, then).

cheers,

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Post by KevinS » July 15th, 2020, 11:31 am

Worst case scenario is that you would post your recording directly to archive.org. It's not difficult to do, but, of course, you would not benefit from having the work in the LibriVox catalog.
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Post by tovarisch » July 15th, 2020, 11:55 am

elengi21 wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 10:21 am
Hi @tovarisch,

Thank you very much for the response. A few responses:

* This is not a solo project. Quite a few volunteers are involved. Infact, the voices in the audiobook are professional radio announcers and this volunteer project brings us together.
* LibriVox standards - I am sure it is above that. It's professionally recorded in a Radio studio.
* Proof-listener - Do I count as a proof-listener? I am not the voice in the audio and have obviously gone through the entire thing. However, I am quite likely the only speaker of the language here.
* Since I am not the audio, do I need the 1-minute audio test?
No, I assumed you had recorded the book and my suggestions were based on that assumption.

As others have already pointed out, there might be legal and logistical obstacles that will prevent LibriVox from publishing the recordings. It shouldn't stop you from considering other venues/services/communities.

I don't agree with KevinS that publishing on archive.org is the worst case scenario.

Best of luck! :)
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Post by TriciaG » July 15th, 2020, 11:57 am

Hello! Thank you for the additional information.

As the last two people have mentioned, there are some issues with submitting this text and recording to LibriVox:

1) The text itself on Wikisource is released with a Creative Commons Attribution / Share-Alike License. (See the very bottom of the page.) We do not "share-alike", meaning, we do not share using that same Creative Commons license. Therefore it is breaking the user agreement for us to use the text from this source.

2) The music and sound effects would need to be removed. Here is our wiki page detailing our policy on sound effects and music: https://wiki.librivox.org/index.php?title=Music_%26_Sound_Effects_Rules

While it would be very nice for us to have this work (and another language!) in our catalog, I don't think we can do it, mostly because of the text source problem.

What you can do, as the others mentioned, is upload it to Archive.org yourself. There you can use the same Creative Commons Attribution / Share-Alike license to satisfy the requirements of that text source. And you can also leave in your sound effects. :)
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Post by elengi21 » July 15th, 2020, 11:35 pm

Hello,

Thank you very much responses.

1. The book was published in 1911. And it is in public domain in India for a very long time.

2. I may not have conveyed well earlier. The Book they have read from is a printed copy and I can get a first page scan. I linked to the WikiSource because it is the text version I had readily available. This book has been republished dozens of times since it is in public domain. The text is the exact same.

3. Every single voice in the audio can sign a letter handing over copyright in perpetuity. I can arrange it.

4. You are right about the music. It is definitely copyright-free, but I don't know how to prove it to you apart from a letter from the group saying that it is. To be honest, I don't see the value of a children's story book without some sound as they are a different genre than adults.

Please note that this is not a radio-channel produced work per-se. So, though it sounds like a professional recording, it is a small volunteer project. And yes, we do hold the copyright for the audio in writing, which we will handover to anyone in perpetuity for free distribution or archival.

Anyway, it does sound like I am asking for too many liberties. And I wouldn't want to inconvenience you. I just didn't want to give it to Audible or the likes since we have worked so hard to ensure free content for everyone.

P.S. If I upload to archive.org, can I submit them to say iTunes podcasts? I have tested Librivox+Feedburner and it works perfectly. Alas.

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Post by schrm » July 16th, 2020, 12:43 am

elengi21 wrote:
July 15th, 2020, 11:35 pm

4. You are right about the music. It is definitely copyright-free, but I don't know how to prove it to you apart from a letter from the group saying that it is. To be honest, I don't see the value of a children's story book without some sound as they are a different genre than adults.

Please note that this is not a radio-channel produced work per-se. So, though it sounds like a professional recording, it is a small volunteer project. And yes, we do hold the copyright for the audio in writing, which we will handover to anyone in perpetuity for free distribution or archival.

Anyway, it does sound like I am asking for too many liberties. And I wouldn't want to inconvenience you. I just didn't want to give it to Audible or the likes since we have worked so hard to ensure free content for everyone.

P.S. If I upload to archive.org, can I submit them to say iTunes podcasts? I have tested Librivox+Feedburner and it works perfectly. Alas.
hi,

i'm glad you understand our points!
so, to answer some of your questions:
- we don't do cc-licenses. (there is a cc 0 1,0 which is public domain wthout any restrictions - this is the only cc license which we can use, since it is the public domain status, what i know.)
- when you upload on archiv.org, you can choose which versions in which fileformats you are uploading. you can write a text, upload ten different files with ten diffrent fileendings, you can edit the thumbnail, set a cover picture and make a booklet. so, upoad
you can link, upload a scan of the book - whatever you want! you used soundcloud, which is a specialised content host for music and audio. archive is the worldwide internet library and archive, hosting websites, games, movies, pictues, books...

archive.org is completely free and you can use any cc license you want to: https://help.archive.org/hc/en-us/articles/360002360111-Uploading-A-Basic-Guide
and you can contact some content spreaders, like apps (librivox app eg. has nothing todo with us, and publishes other sites works, too), you can additionally upload to youtube, and so on.
that said, your rights on the file (whichever you want to keep) are not esnured, when distributed on the internets. but that's void for every content around. (reminds me of the warnings some years ago: the internet never forgets, something you uploaded once, will be in the internet forever.)

that said... i honestly don't know, if we could accept a written agreement, as we put the disclaimer in the audio at the beginning of every readers work.
i also don't know about the music - but as i said before, i fear, we don't have anyone who is able to judge that.

thank you for letting me learn about your quality content :-D

cheers,

/reader/12275
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