[RESOLVED] DIFF sources; Paradise Lost

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Post by harizan » November 3rd, 2008, 7:12 am

The reader said "Book VIII Part 1" but he started off with the line "No more of talk where God or Angel Guest" which was the first line of Book IX!

Greg Bryant was reading from Book IX even though the link and index said "Book VIII"

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Post by lezer » November 3rd, 2008, 11:04 am

I'll take a listen and see if I can figure out what is wrong. Will report back here.

Thanks for pointing this out here, harizan. Hope you enjoyed the rest of the recording?

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Post by lezer » November 3rd, 2008, 11:22 am

harizan wrote:The reader said "Book VIII Part 1" but he started off with the line "No more of talk where God or Angel Guest" which was the first line of Book IX!

Greg Bryant was reading from Book IX even though the link and index said "Book VIII"

:shock:
Hi Harizan,
This is intruiging - I checked the start of the file that says "Book VIII Part 1" and it does start with the line "No more of talk where God or Angel Guest". But in Gutenberg, this is given as the 8th book. So that would be correct. Which source were you reading from? Might there be some difference between different versions of Paradise Lost?? Or a plain mistake in either Gutenberg or the text source you're using??

Let me know, I'd like to know - we got a similar kind of question here too: http://librivox.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16256

Anna

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Post by lezer » November 3rd, 2008, 3:52 pm

OK - this is indeed the problem!

Let's see if I have this correctly:
Here's the original thread: http://librivox.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4196
Here's the catalog page: http://librivox.org/paradise-lost-by-john-milton/

Our recording reads from this gutenberg text: http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/20 - follows that numbering, in 10 books total.

However, that Gutenberg text appears to be wrong.
In fact there are 12 books in total, and what our text has as Book VIII is actually Book IX.

See for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise_Lost
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~milton/reading_room/pl/book_1/index.shtml

Oh and there's actually a SECOND version on Gutenberg that does contain all the books: http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/26


I am afraid this will need some effort indeed to get this straightened out. Does anyone have the opportunity to compare the two versions and see which books are OK (maybe with a little change of numbering) and which books need to be added in our recording? I guess there will be 2 books (4 sections) that need to be recorded...

(BC Caet, MC ceastman)

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Post by RuthieG » November 3rd, 2008, 4:29 pm

I am willing to have a go, but may not be able to do it for a couple of days.

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Post by annise » November 3rd, 2008, 4:36 pm

I'm not sure how to link this but
This is a quote from the first page of the "Paradise Lost" thread

"10 books, actually -- we are using Milton's original division. (The 12-book division came later, added by the publishers in an attempt to make it more like the 12-book-patterns of Virgil and Homer.)"

So maybe all that is necessary is a mention in the catalogue?

Anne
I remembered how - its http://librivox.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=70412#70412

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Post by RuthieG » November 3rd, 2008, 4:51 pm

Well spotted, Anne!

I am so glad you found that before I started ploughing through it all. :D
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Post by annise » November 3rd, 2008, 6:06 pm

curtseying prettily

Thank you

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Post by lezer » November 3rd, 2008, 11:08 pm

Oh yes! I'm very glad I was wrong!
Thank you Anne. It will be a good idea to put a warning to this end on the catalog page. I don't have time at the moment, but may do it later, if someone doesn't beat me to it. I wonder if there's a reference somewhere about that fact of the different workings of the poem, that we could link to?

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Post by RuthieG » November 4th, 2008, 1:15 am

How would this suit?
This is a recording of the text of Milton's first edition of 1667, which had ten books, unlike the second edition (1674) which was redivided into twelve books in the manner of Virgil's Aeneid. See Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise_Lost
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Post by annise » November 4th, 2008, 3:47 am

RuthieG wrote:How would this suit?
This is a recording of the text of Milton's first edition of 1667, which had ten books, unlike the second edition (1674) which was redivided into twelve books in the manner of Virgil's Aeneid. See Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise_Lost
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If someone were really clever they could turn the cover of the first edition on Wikipedia into a CD cover and could link it as it very clearly says "a poem in 10 books"

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Post by Gesine » November 4th, 2008, 5:03 am

RuthieG wrote:How would this suit?
This is a recording of the text of Milton's first edition of 1667, which had ten books, unlike the second edition (1674) which was redivided into twelve books in the manner of Virgil's Aeneid. See Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise_Lost
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Sounds perfect - will you amend the catalogue page?
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Post by RuthieG » November 4th, 2008, 7:54 am

Will do

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Post by harizan » November 4th, 2008, 10:19 am

Hi Anna

Thanks so much for your quick response!

I was not reading the Gutenberg text but a paperback Signet Classic "Paradise Lost Paradise Regained with a new intro by Dr Susanne Wood". Book VIII starts "The Angel Ended, and in Adam's ear".

You can also see http://www.classicreader.com/book/246/8/
or http://www.dartmouth.edu/~milton/reading_room/pl/book_8/index.shtml
or http://www.english.upenn.edu/Projects/knarf/Milton/pl8.html

I think your suspicion may be right - Gutenberg ordered the chapter number erroneously.

Regards, Amanda
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Post by RuthieG » November 4th, 2008, 10:56 am

harizan wrote:I think your suspicion may be right - Gutenberg ordered the chapter number erroneously.
Not exactly. :)

This is a recording of the text of Milton's first edition of 1667, which had ten books, unlike the second edition (1674) which was redivided into twelve books in the manner of Virgil's Aeneid. See Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise_Lost

I have added a note to the Librivox and archive.org catalogue pages to this effect.

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