[COMPLETE] American Hero-Myths: A Study in the Native Religions of the Western Continent - tg

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American Hero-Myths: A Study in the Native Religions of the Western Continent, by Daniel Garrison Brinton (1837 - 1899)

This project is now complete! All audio files can be found on our catalog page: https://librivox.org/american-hero-myths-by-daniel-garrison-brinton/
This work was done to begin to draw distinction between myth and reality in the Native American hero lore. It comes at a time when not much on the subject was determined, or possibly even considered worthy of further study. This may be the first deep dive into the cultural beliefs of the first Americans. The Native Americans. (Summary by afutterer)
Source text (please read only from this text!): https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/11029
Please read only from this document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/160rVud7ZPfRcpGUKmeFKxorcoSvTMWbeR-PHSLr-Ki4/edit?usp=sharing
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*** I WiLL check that all the names that appear in the titles are read uniformly.


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Note to anyone looking at this project.
I had an inner battle with myself to do something so complex. This may be the most intensive project I have BC'd. (Though I did some DPL on some dramatic work collaborations and that would be a step above this in intensity I believe.) At the end of the day, I really want this in Librivox catalog because it is very important to me to get more Native American material in there and this particular work is incredible in it's depth and breadth.
This will be a difficult project to break apart intelligibly as there are so many hyper links etc. in the text. I don't really want this to jump around so it may end up being a work that is done verbatim to the text. I would have to move quite a bit of material around to get it all to make sense otherwise. I am concerned that doing this removes from the work itself. However, please be aware that this may end up being very customized layout using google docs, or it may be vanilla that way it is written. Either way it will take a good amount of time to determine how to section it and there will most likely be many, many sections when it is all set up and may take a long time to complete. I am willing to make the commitment here and I ask all others volunteering to MC or record to also be willing to do the same. I take this on with full intentions of seeing it through to completion.
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Update: I will now begin thinking about how to break this work apart. Using a Google Doc I hope to wrangle this challenge in and have something ready asap to get this project moving.
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I'd love to participate and learn more about Native Religions, but I wonder if we're allowed to cobble different texts together except as a "collection" of stories or essays, and look forward to seeing how this goes.
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I assume the cobbling together is all from this text - putting the footnotes in where they go within the main text, etc. - rather than from other texts. If I'm not mistaken, it's more a "scripting" of this text to make it easier on the readers, so they don't have to do all the jumping back and forth themselves.

Is this correct, afutterer?

I think we MC's are holding off on setting this up until you've got your ducks in a row - know how many sections it's going to be, etc., because it doesn't make sense to start a MW until that is all decided. And if you're making "scripts", it doesn't make sense to set up the project until the scripts are ready for readers. :) In a way, it would have worked just as well or better to get all that sorted out before putting the project in the Launch Pad. *shrug*
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Oh, I see, it is all in one book.

Looking at the text itself, it seems fairly straightforward what to read. The links take you to the text you need to read. Each footnote number takes you to the footnote text, and hitting the back arrow takes you right back to where you were before in the main text. I sure would not want to cobble several hundred footnotes together into a linear text doc. That and word counts could take weeks. Yep, big project.
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Thank you TriciaG. I have responded in kind to the parts of your message below.
I assume the cobbling together is all from this text - putting the footnotes in where they go within the main text, etc. - rather than from other texts. If I'm not mistaken, it's more a "scripting" of this text to make it easier on the readers, so they don't have to do all the jumping back and forth themselves.

Is this correct, afutterer?
This is correct. The text has links within it to bring the reader back and forth between [footnote] style stories and the body of the text. It is very weird arrangement that I have not completely studied yet as I was setting up another project you recently viewed, on Consumption. Though it seems that our interested reader so far, Michele, has found that it is quite simple to follow. Maybe I am overthinking things. I will take another look to see what I think of it. Might not need to script it out. Just provide a little guidance in the MW when it is ready.
I think we MC's are holding off on setting this up until you've got your ducks in a row - know how many sections it's going to be, etc., because it doesn't make sense to start a MW until that is all decided. And if you're making "scripts", it doesn't make sense to set up the project until the scripts are ready for readers. :) In a way, it would have worked just as well or better to get all that sorted out before putting the project in the Launch Pad. *shrug*
Understood and agreed. I should have spent a little more time getting this one organized before posting to the LP. I don't think I can take it down though, so I guess it will be stuck there until I am ready. Although, I really thought this would be the tough one to set up, I am not sure anymore. It seems that may have been the other project and this one may be quite simple. We will see.

Thanks for all your responses. Next time I will wait to post something like this until I am ready to take it live. :oops: Live and learn right! :lol:
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The issue I see is getting an approximate word count. You have to make sure no section goes over an hour, or roughly 10,000 words, in which case you'd want to divide it in half, at least. And I prefer sections no longer than 4000 words myself, if possible. All that increases your Section #'s. You need to know that before you set up your MW. And then not all footnotes are informative enough to be included. Copying and pasting to a Word document is good for getting word count, but then you'll end up with the Google Doc you were talking about anyway. :shock:
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msfry wrote: August 21st, 2022, 11:15 pm The issue I see is getting an approximate word count. You have to make sure no section goes over an hour, or roughly 10,000 words, in which case you'd want to divide it in half, at least. And I prefer sections no longer than 4000 words myself, if possible. All that increases your Section #'s. You need to know that before you set up your MW. And then not all footnotes are informative enough to be included. Copying and pasting to a Word document is good for getting word count, but then you'll end up with the Google Doc you were talking about anyway. :shock:
Indeed. That is exactly what I was thinking would be the difficult part. However, the MW would be most helpful to just enter as I go... I will make my own Excel MW then I can just port that information over when the real one is up.
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If you have a better idea of the number of sections (it doesn't have to be exact, but a good ballpark guess), I can set this up for you... after supper. :P
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afutterer wrote: August 22nd, 2022, 8:14 am However, the MW would be most helpful to just enter as I go... I will make my own Excel MW then I can just port that information over when the real one is up.
I'd be careful not to post anything to the MW until you are SURE where each section starts and ends. There is no rush. Take your time. Get it right. Readers sometimes grab sections fast, then it's awful to have to ask them to make changes because you need to slip in a section between what's already been recorded. Been there, done that, no fun for anyone. :(
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TriciaG wrote: August 24th, 2022, 2:16 pm If you have a better idea of the number of sections (it doesn't have to be exact, but a good ballpark guess), I can set this up for you... after supper. :P
Thanks Tricia! I appreciate you offering to help me on this project!

I have been working on this in my down time to parse in desired footnotes and to try to determine a logical way to break this apart. I should have the final google doc written up in the next day or two. I imagine you will then just check it over. After that I can fill in the MW and we are off to "Readers Wanted"! :D

I believe this will be about 16 sections, I can add more another 1-2 if I need them. The crumby thing is that I would have to bother you to delete any that I end up not needing, because I cannot do it. So if I have you set up for what I may need, and I don't need them all, you will have to edit it again!

General question:

It is easiest for me to just have the MW set up with a few blank rows and then just add in what I need. That is what I had in mind when I posted this in the LP. Is that generally frowned upon by MC's? Like I should have some pretty good idea to ask for sections before posting?

Thanks again Tricia. I look forward to working with you on this one.
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msfry wrote: August 24th, 2022, 3:01 pm
afutterer wrote: August 22nd, 2022, 8:14 am However, the MW would be most helpful to just enter as I go... I will make my own Excel MW then I can just port that information over when the real one is up.
I'd be careful not to post anything to the MW until you are SURE where each section starts and ends. There is no rush. Take your time. Get it right. Readers sometimes grab sections fast, then it's awful to have to ask them to make changes because you need to slip in a section between what's already been recorded. Been there, done that, no fun for anyone. :(
That makes TOTAL SENSE. Thank you for the explanation. I don't think I have ever had to deal with that, but man would be a difficult situation to be in!
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It drives me a bit bonkers, personally, because I often look at the project status table (a version of it is here: https://wiki.librivox.org/index.php/Project_Status_Table), and when the section counts are all wacky, it throws off the list of my MC projects.

It's also nice to have an idea how large a project is. If someone starts a group project saying it's going to be 5 sections and it balloons to 30 sections, the MC may feel a bit deceived (they had agreed to MC a short project which may not take long, dependent on, say, their personal commitments and schedule, and suddenly it's a lot bigger).

It's not a HUGE deal, but it's nice to at least be in the general area when it comes to the number of sections.

And it's not a lot of work to delete sections for an admin. That's a matter of going into the MW and clicking on an X, then waiting for the page to refresh. 2 or 3, no big deal, but a bit more painful at 20. :lol:

OK, I'll set this up at 16 sections, and you can add some more if needed. (EDIT: I did 17: 16, plus the section 0 preface.)
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Thanks Tricia. I will try to fill it in very soon.
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