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Post Posted:: May 31st, 2017, 12:33 pm 

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Here are some more recommendations (or, if you poke and prod at me enough, stuff I'll do myself eventually):

Bertram: A Tragedy in Five Acts by Charles Maturin: I was somewhat shocked that we have so little Maturin in the catalogue, particularly this one. This is prime gothic melodrama, with a truly sinister Byronic antihero at its helm. Lord Byron himself attended a showing of this at an early age and was apparently quite taken with it. I came very close to doing this myself, but another gothic melodrama caught my eye... (*wink wink*)

The Vampire, or The Bride of the Isles, by James Planché: Another gothic melodrama, which either originated or helped codify the trope of the vampire as a suave, noble, and sophisticated gentleman. In addition to inspiring none other than Bram Stoker, this was also another favorite of... you guessed it... Lord Byron. This is actually fairly short (a prologue and two acts), so... um... it probably wouldn't be a huge burden to put together.

And now... on to launch my own project!

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Post Posted:: June 3rd, 2017, 2:53 pm 
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I have launched Moliere's Impromptu, and also will be launching his Misanthrope in a few days.

Then as my other plays end I have another Dumas (Belle-Ville), Farquhar (Love and a Bottle), and Pinero (Dandy Dick) selected and prep'd. I couldn't find another Barrie not in our catalog that I liked, so instead I'll be launching "The Devil is an Ass" by Ben Jonson.

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Post Posted:: June 4th, 2017, 6:32 pm 
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And, since Moliere's Impromptu had so many readers jump on claims Saturday, I launched his The Misanthrope today.

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Post Posted:: June 10th, 2017, 6:31 pm 
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Now that Quality Street is cataloged, I have launched The Devil is an Ass.

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Post Posted:: June 14th, 2017, 2:04 am 

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Hi all,

Now that my most recent BC, The Family of Love, is in the catalogue, I am casting around for another city comedy.

I have got my heart set on Cupid's Whirligig (wiki), which is about a jealous knight who suspects his wife of cheating on him. He comes up the excellent plan of proving that any of her future offspring are not his own by 'gelding' himself. Cue lots of rude Jacobean one-liners.

Only problem is, I can't find a PD text. Frustratingly, the internet is awash with non-usable versions.

There is a PD version on EEBO-TCP1, but it appears to be the product of poor OCR: there are many words missing (and, at one point, two whole pages). I don't want to give in and use this version, because the play will be incomplete.

There is a version on Google Books, which of course is not PD [edit: at least, I assume so]. And I have access via my work to a Proquest version: also not PD.

:help: At this point, I am stuck for ideas. If I could get hold of a paper copy, I would scan it myself and post it to Archive.org. Let's call that the nuclear option. Does anyone with better research skills than mine know where else I could search for a PD copy?

Thanks, team!

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Cupid's Whirligig by Edward Sharpham. Another bawdy Jacobean comedy.
The Parson's Wedding by Thomas Killigrew. The 1st English play with an all-female cast.


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Post Posted:: June 14th, 2017, 2:55 am 
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Hi
The Google version you linked is a scan of a 1604 version which would be PD - not easy to use , but PD I think .

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Post Posted:: June 14th, 2017, 3:00 am 

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annise wrote:
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The Google version you linked is a scan of a 1604 version which would be PD - not easy to use , but PD I think .

Anne

I would have hoped so, but I know that some scans are under copyright: the text itself might be PD, but the image file is not. For the Proquest version I have access to, this is made explicit: it's a scan of the same edition as on Google, but is all "personal use only, no publishing of images, etc". I have not looked up the Google Books rules, but I would assume they are the same? I would be very glad to have confirmation that they are not!


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This, from here: https://books.google.com/googlebooks/library/screenshots.html#books-fullview

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You can see books in Full View if the book is out of copyright, or if the publisher or author has asked to make the book fully viewable. The Full View allows you to view any page from the book, and if the book is in the public domain, you can download, save and print a PDF version to read at your own pace.


So maybe I am fine to use a Google Book? I have just never seen anyone use one as a source text.

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Post Posted:: June 14th, 2017, 3:17 am 
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We aren't publishing the scan . We are using the words - they can't copyright the words , they can stop you printing the scans as a book and selling the book - that is a simplistic explanation but do you get the idea ? If google had a text version with old fashioned letters and words modernised and the language adjusted , then they may be able to copyright it.

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Post Posted:: June 14th, 2017, 3:39 am 

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annise wrote:
We aren't publishing the scan . We are using the words - they can't copyright the words , they can stop you printing the scans as a book and selling the book - that is a simplistic explanation but do you get the idea ? If google had a text version with old fashioned letters and words modernised and the language adjusted , then they may be able to copyright it.

Anne

OK, got you. I had always assumed that the requirement to provide a PD source text was that the words and the document itself had to be PD.

Because reading from a 1607 edition of the play would be a very onerous task for volunteers, and there do not appear to be any more modern editions, I am creating a Google Docs script with simpler formatting. This is quite a lot of work, so I wanted to be sure I could use the Google Book version of the play before I proceeded.

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The Parson's Wedding by Thomas Killigrew. The 1st English play with an all-female cast.


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Post Posted:: June 14th, 2017, 4:02 am 
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I consider letting readers learn to read from an old script (without s's as f's though) as educational and part of the fun. Like solving a jigsaw puzzle or murder mystery.

Thanks, Todd

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Post Posted:: June 14th, 2017, 4:42 am 

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ToddHW wrote:
I consider letting readers learn to read from an old script (without s's as f's though) as educational and part of the fun. Like solving a jigsaw puzzle or murder mystery.

Thanks, Todd

Ha! This one really is tricky though. I think it's OK to PL against, but probably a royal pain to read from. The character names are quite inconsistent too, which could lead to confusion. It's as if these early modern typesetters didn't know LibriVox would need nice, clean scripts in 400 years' time. #Selfish

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Post Posted:: June 14th, 2017, 10:22 am 

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Now I'm nearing the end of The Princess Zoubaroff, I am currently trying to decide which play I should launch next. And since any play's success is determined by the amount of enthusiasm and support the BC might get from the community, I've decided to try something slightly different. I'm going to open this up to a vote. I've provided a small list of plays I'm interested in launching... and rather than making a unilateral decision all by myself, I'm opening this up to the community. Please feel free to vote, whether you plan on volunteering or just really want to see a particularly play recorded for Librivox. Either is fine by me. I just want to get a feel for what you guys might like before launching something.

https://goo.gl/forms/YWnshuFcbDlhXwSk2

Voting will stay open until the moment Princess Zoubaroff goes into the catalogue. :-)

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Post Posted:: June 16th, 2017, 9:03 am 

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Hi Rob,

It can be hit and miss, but it's usually worth trying the British Library catalogue.

If you bring up the website (bl.uk), type 'Cupid's Whirligig' in the small search box in the upper right hand corner, click 'main catalogue', then search, you'll get three results. The bar on the left says 'access options'. Click 'online', and you'll get two results.

You can view the record by clicking 'details' for each book, and the 'I want this' tab is how you'll be able to click through to see the scan of any given book.

One quick note - not all BL scans are PD. Many are, but be certain to look at the fine print.

The first item (1630) looks the more promising of the two.

My experience of BL scans generally is that they are high quality and consequently pretty large files. You will probably have to fiddle with it for prospective readers and post a compressed version on google drive or something similar. I often have trouble getting the files from home, but that may be because my internet connection is poor. You may need to try from more than one location if it's slow to load.

I hope this helps. If you have questions about the BL catalogue, PM me.
Erin

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I have got my heart set on Cupid's Whirligig (wiki), which is about a jealous knight who suspects his wife of cheating on him. He comes up the excellent plan of proving that any of her future offspring are not his own by 'gelding' himself. Cue lots of rude Jacobean one-liners.

Only problem is, I can't find a PD text. Frustratingly, the internet is awash with non-usable versions.


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Post Posted:: June 16th, 2017, 12:12 pm 

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Newgatenovelist wrote:
Hi Rob,

It can be hit and miss, but it's usually worth trying the British Library catalogue.


Thanks, Erin!

The BL isn't normally on my list of places to check, but that's useful to know. Actually, I think in the past I haven't canged the search from its default (website) to catalogue, and probably got bad results for that reason.

In this case, I think I am OK with the 1607 google books version, because I have been working on a script based on an incomplete OCR of the same edition. But thanks all the same (and please join the project when I launch!)

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Post Posted:: June 18th, 2017, 7:49 am 
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Paul Jones by Dumas and The Inconstant by Farquhar are cataloging now, so time for their next plays. I'll be launching these in the next week or so. (Have to get some recording of my own done first!)

Mademoiselle De Belle Isle by Dumas: https://archive.org/details/plays00kemb

Love and a Bottle by Farquhar: https://archive.org/stream/dramaticworksge00ewalgoog#page/n28/mode/1up

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