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Post by dlolso21 » November 19th, 2019, 4:35 am

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Epachuko created a Spanish template Wikipedia page based on the English and German template pages. It was removed by someone there.

Does anyone have enough Wikipedia process experience to help?

It looks like the same struggle of getting a Wikipedia "expert" to understand that happened with both the English and German template versions.

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Post by Anonyme » November 19th, 2019, 11:13 am

I have a decent amount of experience with using MediaWiki but not with Wikipedia itself, but from what I gather it seems to be "moved to Wiktionary, Wikibooks or Wikisource" according to the user who deleted the page. Here's his full comment (I used Google Translate to translate the comment so it might not be perfect):
Antur deleted the Template page librivox ('' 'A1.2' '': Definitions, recipes or texts moved to Wiktionary, Wikibooks or Wikisource. '' 'G4' '': Test page, does not contain a clear context or format readable encyclopedic.)
-- https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantilla_librivox

A1.2 and G4 are the critera for deletion:
A1.2 Foreign language articles that exist on another Wikimedia project
G4. Recreation of a page that was deleted per a deletion discussion
-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion

I searched around for the moved template but I couldn't find it. It seems to be deleted.
It looks like Wikipedia is the wrong place for the templates; instead Wikibooks or Wikisource should be used (I'd say Wikibooks sounds like the one to use instead of Wikipedia)
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Post by KevinS » November 19th, 2019, 12:01 pm

Would it work to petition on Wiki to have the English translated into Spanish? That might be a procedure that works for them, whoever they are.

Epachuko might then be allowed to do the translation.

I don't know if that works for templates, though.
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Post by dlolso21 » November 20th, 2019, 1:53 am

Anonyme wrote:
November 19th, 2019, 11:13 am
I have a decent amount of experience with using MediaWiki but not with Wikipedia itself, but from what I gather it seems to be "moved to Wiktionary, Wikibooks or Wikisource" according to the user who deleted the page. Here's his full comment (I used Google Translate to translate the comment so it might not be perfect):
Antur deleted the Template page librivox ('' 'A1.2' '': Definitions, recipes or texts moved to Wiktionary, Wikibooks or Wikisource. '' 'G4' '': Test page, does not contain a clear context or format readable encyclopedic.)
-- https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantilla_librivox

A1.2 and G4 are the critera for deletion:
A1.2 Foreign language articles that exist on another Wikimedia project
G4. Recreation of a page that was deleted per a deletion discussion
-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion

I searched around for the moved template but I couldn't find it. It seems to be deleted.
It looks like Wikipedia is the wrong place for the templates; instead Wikibooks or Wikisource should be used (I'd say Wikibooks sounds like the one to use instead of Wikipedia)
I am not sure how to go about appealing, could you help.

The template that was deleted was in Spanish on the Spanish Wikipedia and it standardized / explained how to add links to LibriVox in the external links portion of Spanish Wikipedia pages for books and authors. So I don’t see how A1.2 applies.

I am unaware of the discussion G.4 can you access it and summarize?

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Post by Anonyme » November 20th, 2019, 2:40 am

I'm not too sure either.

Here are the rules:
A1.2 "applies to articles not written in English that have essentially the same content as an article on another Wikimedia project."
G.4 "applies to sufficiently identical copies, having any title, of a page deleted via its most recent deletion discussion."

And here's what the user who deleted it mentioned (I've translated it using Google Translate, so it may not be fully correct):
A1.2 "Definitions, recipes or texts moved to Wiktionary , Wikibooks or Wikisource"
G.4 "Test page, does not contain a clear context or a readable encyclopedic format."

There was no 'deletion discussion' that I could find anywhere. Neither was there a copy of the template on any other Wikimedia project.
I suggest that Epachuko discusses this with the user who deleted the template. We'll get quicker answers that way rather than guessing. Here's the users discussion page:
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuario_discusi%C3%B3n:Antur
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Post by schrm » November 23rd, 2019, 12:11 am

im not an expert, but had discussions with german wikipedia experts :-)
dlolso21 wrote:
September 27th, 2018, 1:12 am

Wikipedia pages: Some Wikipedia are Open for everyone to edit, others are locked and require a login and access to edit. An experienced Wikipedia editor, ( Green Cardamom ) and TimoleonWash worked together to establish specific templates for LibriVox.

Wikipedia Templates:
Wikipedia's LibriVox Book template: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Librivox_book
Wikipedia's LibriVox Author template: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Librivox_author

German Wikipedia templates: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Librivox_Buch

Spanish Wikipedia templates: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantilla_librivox
at first glance, the spanish wikipedia page was not created as a template page: the link in english is template:librivox...
in german it is vorlage:librivox....
and in spanish it was plantilla_librivox...



- that could very likely be the first reason, or: a template page has to be created by an admin - that i don't know.

- the hint to the discussion page is a formality!
in the shortened process, (most) admins (they have different levels in the german version, some may even not be able to start a shortened process) don't need to follow these processes.
but it means, that the page was mentioned in the page where "candidates for deletion" are discussed.
(in the german version, some years ago).

- the existence of a page in another language is not a point for adding the wikipedia page in another language. it may cause some sympathy, or second thought, but it is not a measurement for the grade of importance (in this language)...
(that was an answer i got sometimes. i had to argue, that it also eases the use of wikipedia and has positive effects on several other wikipedia pages, eg. and i mentioned points from the discussion entries in the english page. also, please note: the missing knowledge of a single wiki mod isn't a measurement, either.)

- i would also mention this passage from the english wikipedia:
It has received support from the Internet Archive and Project Gutenberg. Intellectual freedom and commons proponent Mike Linksvayer described it in 2008 as "perhaps the most interesting collaborative culture project this side of Wikipedia".[16]
not by itself, but because it is mentioned in the spanish version:
LibriVox recibe el apoyo del Internet Archive y del Proyecto Gutenberg. Mike Linksvayer, vicepresidente de Creative Commons la describió como «tal vez el más interesante proyecto cultural colaborativo, junto a Wikipedia».4 https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibriVox​
- also, there are examples of lv-books below this passage! (in german, that would likely be erased because "wikipedia is not a collection of links")
they didn't use a template, maybe because no lua programmer made this. maybe there was a discussion about realizing a template before, maybe when this paragraph was written. to my opinion, best practice would be, to install the template, and make a first use of it and correct this paragraph



so, best practice would really be, that a spanish speaking member starts contacting the admin.
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