Do we have a wikipage on the disclaimer?

Illiterati · Post by **Illiterati** » January 22nd, 2009, 1:58 pm

I've been looking for a wikipage on the disclaimer & chapter notes.

I'm trying to figure out the whole correct setup in the start/end of the recordings with all the sections, chapter notes , the way to end a book etc. short and long - and when to use the short disclaimer and when the long one. I mainly would need this for reference for my own use as a BC.

I've heard also rumours of a page with the disclaimer in different languages.

Haven't found these, but they must be out there.

Help?

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Cori · Post by **Cori** » January 22nd, 2009, 2:47 pm

It's not in the wiki, because it's not exactly editable ... that is, we welcome translations of the disclaimer, but the wording is exact and mandatory. It should perhaps be an unchangeable page in the wiki, for reference? Mm.

The disclaimer & language information is contained in the Going Solo forum, here: http://librivox.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=717 ... I think that's linked to from the Launchpad, but my memory might not be so good on that point.

The info about when to use short and long disclaimers is, I think, in a Launch Pad thread. I don't think we have the short disclaimers translated, yet, as they're a recent change, and for poetry or solo recordings only.

PaulW · Post by **PaulW** » January 22nd, 2009, 2:49 pm

No wiki page that I know of, but for group projects, long disclaimer on all sections with no exceptions. Solos must use the long disclaimer on the first section, short disclaimer is acceptable for all sections after the first; however, a soloist may elect at their discretion to use the long disclaimer for all sections. Poetry uses the poetry disclaimer.

The templates (which are on the wiki, and are also linked from the sticky posts in the Launch Pad) have the disclaimers included in them, but the items in brackets [ ... ] must be customized for each project.

Hope this answers your question.

(Cori types faster than I do...oh, well)

Cori · Post by **Cori** » January 22nd, 2009, 2:50 pm

Type quickly, edit at leisure. Until someone else comes along and posts, anyway ...

Illiterati · Post by **Illiterati** » January 22nd, 2009, 3:51 pm

Thank you!

That cleared most of it - the language information I really wouldn't have found otherwise, as BCing I haven't checked the soloist threads.

As for the chapter titles I was thinking of the possible non-standard cases - when to use the word section before the disclaimer for instance (of course when I have to divide chapters) or what is the standard way of starting/ending split chapters (this is the way I do it: http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dcxk2f54_308hrctc3dd). That wasn't really written anywhere so I had to figure it out myself. Needless to say it took a long time to arrive at that conclusion with my talents....

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PaulW · Post by **PaulW** » January 22nd, 2009, 7:06 pm

You could also word the first part of the intro as "Chapter Four, Part Two of...", and the title as "Chapter four: Conspicuous Consumption, Part Two" or "Chapter four, Part Two: Conspicuous Consumption". Your way does indicate a unique number for each recording, though. I'd personally be happy with any of these ways.

You'll still want to use "XX - Chapter ##, part Y: Chapter Title" for your ID tags (and, ideally, for the titles in the Window, also). That way, if there's a section that by accident doesn't get a title tag, the MC can pull the tags from the Window, instead of manually editing them.

For books with shorter chapters, Mark Nelson (sjmarky) has been reading multiple chapters per section for some of his recordings, and he introduces them by the number of the first chapter in the section, with a slight pause between chapters and "chapter XX", then the next chapter, and so on, then ends with "End of Chapter (number of last chapter in section)." It seems to work out quite well for books with short chapters.

russiandoll · Post by **russiandoll** » January 23rd, 2009, 1:00 am

PaulW wrote:You could also word the first part of the intro as "Chapter Four, Part Two of...", and the title as "Chapter four: Conspicuous Consumption, Part Two"

That's exactly what I do: 'Chapter X part Y of Book Title. This is a LibriVox etc. Book Title, by Author, Chapter X, Chapter Title, Part Y.'

For books with shorter chapters, Mark Nelson (sjmarky) has been reading multiple chapters per section for some of his recordings, and he introduces them by the number of the first chapter in the section, with a slight pause between chapters and "chapter XX", then the next chapter, and so on, then ends with "End of Chapter (number of last chapter in section)." It seems to work out quite well for books with short chapters.

I think I'd still say 'Chapters X-Z' as the very first announcement in that case, though, so a listener skipping through sections and listening to the first second or two in search of chapter 3 doesn't hear 'Chapter 1' (no, skip on...), 'Chapter 4'... (Hang on!).

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Illiterati · Post by **Illiterati** » January 23rd, 2009, 7:24 am

russiandoll wrote:
PaulW wrote:You could also word the first part of the intro as "Chapter Four, Part Two of...", and the title as "Chapter four: Conspicuous Consumption, Part Two"

That's exactly what I do: 'Chapter X part Y of Book Title. This is a LibriVox etc. Book Title, by Author, Chapter X, Chapter Title, Part Y.'

This works as long as you run into a classic (for instance a lot of the Russians), where the word part has already been employed by the writer to signify something else.

Let's pick Dostoyevsky; he divides his works into parts, books and chapters, which then have to be split if they are too long. So we get Part 1, Book 5, Chapter 3, Part One.

This is why I have come to favour the word section - and the structure of for instance Part 1, Book 5, second part of Chapter 3.

Confusing? Utterly.

I understand that this whole discussion might sound like the pinnacle of being nitpicky - that is if you have not been in a situation of having to go through the whole process of doing fiftysomething files twice to correct your naming scheme.

Type quickly, edit at leisure.

I thought I was the only one doing this...

Thank you, everyone.

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RuthieG · Post by **RuthieG** » January 23rd, 2009, 9:45 am

What I do is similar to you, Illiterati. At the beginning of a divided chapter, I just say "Chapter 2 of [book title] ". At the end of the section, I say "End of the first part of Chapter 2".

At the beginning of the next section, I say "The second part of Chapter 2 of [book title]" and at the end, "End of Chapter 2".

Ruth