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Re: Covermakers Chat Thread

Posted: April 29th, 2019, 12:33 pm
by Piotrek81
My solo of Emancipation of South America (viewtopic.php?f=12&t=72936) is about to be catalogued and I would like to request that whoever kindly offers to create the cover for it, uses either of these two paintings:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ejercito_Libertador_cruce_de_Cordillera_de_los_andes.jpg#/media/File:Ejercito_Libertador_cruce_de_Cordillera_de_los_andes.jpg (the author died in 1930 and the painting was created in 1909)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arturo_Michelena#/media/File:Vuelvan_caras.jpg (the author died in 1898)
Both depict crucial moments in the South American struggle for independence. (I can't make up my mind which one I prefer, so either will be fine :) )

Please tell me if I'm doing this correctly or if you need more info.

Re: Covermakers Chat Thread

Posted: April 29th, 2019, 5:09 pm
by annise
It's OK to make suggestions but just like all things at LV , it's up to the cover maker to design the cover as they wish. Many lovely images do not work as a cover for various reasons, it's not just a case of finding a pretty picture, sticking it on a square pit of virtual paper, and sicking some text on :D
So when it appears on the claim list, it is up to whoever volunteers to make the best cover they can in their opinion.

Anne

Re: Covermakers Chat Thread

Posted: April 29th, 2019, 8:36 pm
by classicsforever
Piotrek81 wrote:
April 29th, 2019, 12:33 pm
My solo of Emancipation of South America (viewtopic.php?f=12&t=72936) is about to be catalogued and I would like to request that whoever kindly offers to create the cover for it, uses either of these two paintings:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ejercito_Libertador_cruce_de_Cordillera_de_los_andes.jpg#/media/File:Ejercito_Libertador_cruce_de_Cordillera_de_los_andes.jpg (the author died in 1930 and the painting was created in 1909)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arturo_Michelena#/media/File:Vuelvan_caras.jpg (the author died in 1898)
Both depict crucial moments in the South American struggle for independence. (I can't make up my mind which one I prefer, so either will be fine :) )

Please tell me if I'm doing this correctly or if you need more info.
Hi Piotrek - I second what Annise said. But, I would be personally interested in using one of those pictures for the cover. I will try to sign up for it (if I can get to it fast enough), or you can put my name on the claims list if you get there first.

Re: Covermakers Chat Thread

Posted: April 30th, 2019, 10:07 am
by Piotrek81
Thank you for your answers, Anne and Margaret. :)
classicsforever wrote: I will try to sign up for it (if I can get to it fast enough), or you can put my name on the claims list if you get there first.
I don't know what claims list is and where to find it...

Re: Covermakers Chat Thread

Posted: April 30th, 2019, 2:56 pm
by annise
I think it's better to have claims entered by the covermaker, seems to me to be fairer for all that way.

Anne

Re: Covermakers Chat Thread

Posted: May 1st, 2019, 9:36 am
by classicsforever
What a great picture! I'm a sucker for botanical art. :)

Re: Covermakers Chat Thread

Posted: May 1st, 2019, 3:22 pm
by leanneyauyau
classicsforever wrote:
May 1st, 2019, 9:36 am
What a great picture! I'm a sucker for botanical art. :)
Thank you!

Re: Covermakers Chat Thread

Posted: May 2nd, 2019, 12:28 am
by annise
Leanne - you still seem to be puzzled about PD. It is complicated sometimes especially when the internet is full of claims about the copyright status of everything under the sun and they seldom even both telling you where they think it is PD. LV and Archive are based in the USA so everything we do has to be PD there So the safest thing to do is to stick to pre 1924 images.
The first one you posted you claimed was PD because the person who uploaded said it was - well it was PD, not because Wikipedia said it was but because it was an illustration painted over 200 years ago - so was pre 1924.
So it was acceptable because of that.

The one I rejected was clearly not pre 1924
In the first post there is a request for the images to be PD and a link viewtopic.php?p=1532273#p1532273 to an expanded statement about this that Carolin made. So please just stick to that.

Anne

Re: Covermakers Chat Thread

Posted: May 9th, 2019, 8:23 pm
by pschempf
The Heroic Life and Exploits of Siegfried the Dragon Slayer is being cataloged. I'd like to suggest these as possible illustrations for the cover. This one by Wilhelm Kaulbach appeared in the original 1848 text -
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1788/2191/files/dagger_001_1_of_1_large.jpg?v=1541542110
Unfortunately this source is not PD, but perhaps someone could find a PD version.

As a second choice there is this one -
http://gutenberg.readingroo.ms/2/8/4/9/28497/28497-h/28497-h.htm#p274

I'm not sure either would work for a cover. Perhaps there are other images of dragon slaying, but to be consistent with this story it needs to be done with a sword. There are a bunch of images of St. George taking down a dragon on horse back with a lance, but that isn't how Siegfried did the beast in - no horse, no lance.

Thanks

Re: Covermakers Chat Thread

Posted: May 10th, 2019, 2:50 am
by annise
If I get to claim it, I'll hunt for the colour one - they both are possible if the PD status can be sorted out.

Anne
this one has a sword - there is a certain charm about old woodcuts :D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Siegfried_20.gif Especially with the damsel in distress
And a very snake like dragon http://artviking.chez.com/Anglais/Bas-reliefs_fichiers/sigurd.JPG

Re: Covermakers Chat Thread

Posted: May 10th, 2019, 5:35 am
by pschempf
Anne -

I was wondering - if an image that is PD is found on a copyrighted web site, is it then copyrighted or is it still PD? The image would need to antedate the publication of the book (1848) and the artist Wilhelm Kaulbach died in 1874 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_von_Kaulbach).

Re: Covermakers Chat Thread

Posted: May 10th, 2019, 7:10 am
by moniaqua
What about this one:
https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_x4QHAAAAQAAJ/page/n81
?
Only if Anne isn't successful hunting for the colored one :)

Re: Covermakers Chat Thread

Posted: May 10th, 2019, 7:20 am
by pschempf
I have seen black and white copies of the image in other digital reproductions of the work and I have to admit that I'm not sure where the colored one came from. It seems unlikely to me that a colored image would have been printed in a book published in 1848. Possibly it is the image created by Kaulbach, but that it was printed in black and white. :hmm:

It is interesting to me that the text published in 1848 I read from appears to be a translation of the one Monika cites, published in 1843. I don't read German, but the text in both copies is laid out similarly and both use Kaubach's illustrations. Although Kaulbach is listed as the book's illustrator on the copy I read from, there is no listing for an author or a translator.

Re: Covermakers Chat Thread

Posted: May 10th, 2019, 3:30 pm
by annise
I have found one, with a definite PD book, I'm still working on it.
The early colour printing I've seen was made with a red block a blue block and a yellow one but the image isn't done like that I'm sure.
However, if you look hard at the image, it seems to be hand coloured and books were done with ordinary editions in black and white and more expensive ones are hand coloured, so I'll keep investigating. These dates apply to European by the way. Coloured woodblock oneswere made in China and probablyJapan earlier :D

Anne
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Randolph_Caldecott_illustration2.jpg 1887

Re: Covermakers Chat Thread

Posted: May 13th, 2019, 10:43 am
by schrm
heyho,

just wanted to say: a really beautiful, elegant, perfectly suiting and stunning cover availle!
beautiful!
https://librivox.org/understanding-climatic-change-by-usgarp/

in general: there are so many, beautiful covers uploaded last weeks... i'm watching virtual art galleries :-)
thanks to all of you!

cheers,