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Post Posted:: May 29th, 2016, 3:35 am 

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I was wondering if someone was interested in arranging and managing a "Librivox queue" for PGDP. I am not yet able to do this, but am working on a number of projects at Librivox where it would be nice to have a "clean text" version available (and as they have multiple volumes it can be that the 2nd volume is ready by the time the recording of the first one is finished).

Thoughts, comments ...
Current potential texts (on my list):
Imaginary Conversations by WS Landor https://archive.org/details/imaginaryconver00land
Strange Stories from a Chinese Studion - vol 1 & 2 https://archive.org/details/strangestoriesfr00pusuuoft
The Sikh Religion, Its Gurus, Sacred Writings and Authors - 6 vol's https://archive.org/search.php?query=The%20Sikh%20Religion%2C%20Its%20Gurus%2C%20Sacred%20Writings%20and%20Authors

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Humorous Biographies and DR version (male roles left)
Life in South Africa
A 18th Century Sea Voyage
Chinese Folk Tales (s/s)
Jules Verne Adventure
MultiLingual UDHR


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Post Posted:: May 29th, 2016, 2:24 pm 

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That's a fabulous idea! I have a long list...but to start off with I'll just say:
His Brother's Keeper by Charles M. Sheldon https://archive.org/details/hisbrotherskeepe00sheluoft
I'll come up with the rest of them later. :) Thanks!

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Post Posted:: May 29th, 2016, 3:29 pm 
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I don't understand this.

Are these works that HAVE BEEN requested there? Or just a wish list that they won't ever see because it's here and not there?

Not trying to be snarky; I just don't get it.

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Post Posted:: May 29th, 2016, 4:48 pm 

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Hello,
As a totally blind person who downloads public domain works through Project Gutenberg and reads them in Braille, I think that we should have a clean, proofed, polished etext version of EVERY work recorded at LibriVox for universal accessibility. If a book is available both in clean etext version on PG and as a DRM-free audio recording on LibriVox, it enables anyone with the right software to create DAISY and Braille versions of that book without any additional cost. But sadly, when you look at catalog pages of many works available on LV, the online etext for the book links to archive.org pages of those books. The Internet Archive advertises that it provides those books in DAISY format, but for us blind people, they are of no use because those DAISY books are created based on raw OCR of the images of the books. In other words, we blind people cannot read and study with those DAISY books, since they are nothing more than collections of messy, unprooffed, uncorrected OCR-ed pages of images.
Please, please, if you have the time and resources, organize a LibriVox queue for PGDP. And I beg LV volunteers to consider joining PGDP and help public domain works more accessible to anyone, anytime, anywhere.
Sincerely,
Eunah Choi


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Post Posted:: May 29th, 2016, 6:17 pm 

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You might think that I am throwing temper tantrums. Maybe you would ask, "What's the big deal? Is
there a big difference between raw OCR-ed etexts on archive.org and prooffed, clean ones on PG?"
Well, let me give you a clear example. I'll give you an extract from Brief Lives Volume 1, which an
LV volunteer is recording and also available as a carefully proofed etext on Project Gutenberg,
thanks to all the hard work of PGDP volunteers.
The following is the extract taken from the ebook page for the work, which was provided to the
Internet Archive by the University of Toronto Library. Please try to imagine that you are a totally
blind person and you don't have any other way to access this book except to download and read this messy, unproofed DAISY version
of this book available on Google Books or archive.org.
You can visit the links below to have a look at yourself with those scanned images of the Brief Lives Volume 01.
Internet Archive:
https://archive.org/details/briefliveschief00aubrgoog
Google Books:
http://books.google.com/books?id=IIhmAAAAMAAJ&oe=UTF-8
(And note that Google doesn't allow people outside the US even to download the uncorrected epub version of this PD work. What an irony!)

Quote:
He taught his sonne the use of (the) astrolabe at 10 ;
prout per his treatise of the Astrolabe.
Dunnington Castle, neer Newbury, was his ; a noble
seate and strong castle, which was held by the King
(Charles I"*) (who governour ?) but since dismanteled.
Memorandum: — neer this castle was an oake, under
which Sir Jeofrey was wont to sitt, called Chaucer* s^oake^
which was cutt downe by tempore Caroli I"' ; and
so it was, that was called into the starre chamber,
and was fined for it. . . . Judge Richardson* harangued
against him long, and like an orator, had topiques from
the Druides, etc. This information I had from ... an
able attorney that was at the hearing.
His picture is at his old howse at Woodstock (neer the
parke-gate), a foot high, haHe way: has passed from
proprietor to proprietor.
** One Mr. Goresuch of Woodstock dined with us at
Rumney marsh, who told me that at the old Gothique-
built howse neer the parke-gate at Woodstock, which was
the howse of Sir Jeffrey Chaucer, that there is his picture,
* MS. Anbr. 8, foL 27. •• Aubrey, in MS. Wood F. 39,
* Sir Thomas Richardson, Chief fol. 200: April 7, 1673.
Justice of the King's Bench, 1631.
Digitized by
Google
William Chillingworth 171
which goes with the howse from one to another —
which see.
William Chillingworth (1602-164J).
* William Chillingworth^, D. D., — vide Anthony Wood's
Antiq. Oxan. in Trinity College — was borne in Oxford.
His father was a brewer.
About anno ... he was acquainted with one . . . who
drew him and some other scholars over to Doway, where
he was not so well entertained as he thought he merited
for his great disputative witt. They made him the porter
(which was to trye his temper, and exercise his obedience) :
so he stole over and came to Trinity College againe,
where he was fellowe.
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How can you get a sense of what's written on this book if the only way to access this work is to
download this unproofed version from the Internet Archive? For blind people, those scanned images of
the ebooks are nothing more than inaccessible image files. to us, they are like untouchable
paintings tucked in glass.
I could enjoy this book only when the Project GuTenberg etext version went online at the following
link:
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/47787
And this etext was made possible only with all the dedication and hard work of PGDP volunteers. You
can see the PGDP project page for the Brief Lives Volume 01 at the following link:
http://www.pgdp.net/c/project.php?id=projectID499c11c61078e&detail_level=3


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Post Posted:: May 29th, 2016, 8:03 pm 
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no Eunah , I've tried to use the OCRed texts - and they are impossible without massive editing - and I'm sure many others here have too.

So we don't think your comment had anything to do with temper tantrums - it's just a fact. :D

Anne

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Post Posted:: May 29th, 2016, 10:40 pm 

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I fully agree, Eunah, those raw texts are often incomprehensible, even for somebody who isn't blind. Sometimes, archive.org offers an ebook version which may not be quite as bad as the Daisy version you mention, but there are enough errors in those versions, too.

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Post Posted:: May 30th, 2016, 2:03 am 

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TriciaG wrote:
I don't understand this.

Are these works that HAVE BEEN requested there? Or just a wish list that they won't ever see because it's here and not there?

Not trying to be snarky; I just don't get it.


I was hoping that a more senior pgdp member than me who is also at librivox.org would help set the queue up. It is more than just requesting books as pg works on a queue system. Also the source of the request is known so a popular request doesn't push a lv book out of the way.
Kim


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Post Posted:: May 30th, 2016, 5:23 am 

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Hello Eunah san,

rita1075 wrote:
I think that we should have a clean, proofed, polished etext version of EVERY work recorded at LibriVox for universal accessibility.

To get this etext I wonder if we can convert from *.mp3 to *.txt.
This kind of converter should be available, even though I can't name it now.
rita1075 wrote:
But sadly, when you look at catalog pages of many works available on LV, the online etext for the book links to archive.org pages of those books.

Can you just name several books as example?

Maybe we can start a new project for creating etext for LV recordings.

Cheers,
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Post Posted:: May 30th, 2016, 5:48 am 
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Here you go:

How to make a Project Gutenberg eBook

8-)

I've done it ONCE. It was a ton of work (the book was huge), and there are still errors in it. :roll:

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Post Posted:: May 30th, 2016, 6:58 am 

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Okay, have changed title of the post to suggesting books for PGDP. PG Distributed Processors has a process of sharing out the workload for making a relatively error free e-text (still need to visit my local library to check out an error that was picked up during the reading of one of their texts).
GWEEKS went through a process earlier this year getting "clean" copies of a number of sci-fi books at PGDP.net. So, not for any specific person to do, hence the talk of queues etc.


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Post Posted:: May 30th, 2016, 12:55 pm 
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Moving this to Volunteers Wanted: Other Projects. I think it fits better there than in suggestions/comments about LV. :)

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