[COMPLETE] [Fictional War Biography] Lay Down Your Arms by Bertha von Suttner - tg

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UPRG11W wrote: March 27th, 2021, 5:03 am PL note:

I listened to the following sections and thank you again for your contributions!

Please add the "list of the content" at the beginning of chapter 11 to section 43, which I quote here for you. The rest of section 43 (main content for part 1 of chapter 11) is well read and recorded.
"The Austrian reverses increase.—Sketches from the seat of war, showing its realities, as viewed by a soldier who abhors war.—Death of poor Puxl.—My husband avows his determination never to serve in another campaign."


Regards,
Jessie
Katharina21 wrote: March 19th, 2021, 10:29 am Section 43, 7 min 42 s, https://librivox.org/uploads/triciag/laydownarms_43_suttner_128kb.mp3
Katharina
ah sorry jessie, i misunderstood you:
it is up to the reader to decide about reading these brief summaries.
i know, this is not the best rule for a unified approach, but to my opinion the most reader centric and -respecting strategy.

footnotes and these brief summaries are the big exlusions of our rule "never omit or change, what the author wrote".
also for readers, they can be boring, or troubling regarding spoilers and the ability to follow the content.
(i myself prefer to read them, though. but i am not a spoiler person, at all.
and to spoil the fun for a spoiler person is not what i want to demand)

--> it is not ok to change these, but i decided upon it and wrote it in the first posting: it is ok to omit them.

so, if i understand this correctly: section 43 is missing these summaries at the beginning of each chapter and there is nothing else to do?
then it is pl ok!
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Yes, section 43 is updated as PL OK.

Many thanks for the instructions!

Regards,
Jessie
schrm wrote: March 27th, 2021, 5:17 am
UPRG11W wrote: March 27th, 2021, 5:03 am PL note:

I listened to the following sections and thank you again for your contributions!

Please add the "list of the content" at the beginning of chapter 11 to section 43, which I quote here for you. The rest of section 43 (main content for part 1 of chapter 11) is well read and recorded.
"The Austrian reverses increase.—Sketches from the seat of war, showing its realities, as viewed by a soldier who abhors war.—Death of poor Puxl.—My husband avows his determination never to serve in another campaign."


Regards,
Jessie
Katharina21 wrote: March 19th, 2021, 10:29 am Section 43, 7 min 42 s, https://librivox.org/uploads/triciag/laydownarms_43_suttner_128kb.mp3
Katharina
ah sorry jessie, i misunderstood you:
it is up to the reader to decide about reading these brief summaries.
i know, this is not the best rule for a unified approach, but to my opinion the most reader centric and -respecting strategy.

footnotes and these brief summaries are the big exlusions of our rule "never omit or change, what the author wrote".
also for readers, they can be boring, or troubling regarding spoilers and the ability to follow the content.
(i myself prefer to read them, though. but i am not a spoiler person, at all.
and to spoil the fun for a spoiler person is not what i want to demand)

--> it is not ok to change these, but i decided upon it and wrote it in the first posting: it is ok to omit them.

so, if i understand this correctly: section 43 is missing these summaries at the beginning of each chapter and there is nothing else to do?
then it is pl ok!
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Jessie wrote

Here is my feedback on section 41.

4:55 extra "we were" before "were some battalions  ..."
6:22 - 6:32 some beeps appeared in the background


Hi, Jessie:

I have made these corrections. I keep forgetting to stop my pendulum clock when I record!

https://librivox.org/uploads/triciag/laydownarms_41_suttner_128kb.mp3
9m 22s
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FYI, I also updated the length for section 44 as 9:03, instead of 9:04. It seems that the length is shown on my side as the second not rounded to the nearest integer but trimmed off to the nearby smaller integer. For example, section 43 was shown to me as 7:41 instead of 7:42.
One or two seconds on either side is okay. I am aware that some systems round up and some down, so I take that into account when comparing run times at cataloging time. :)
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TriciaG wrote: March 27th, 2021, 6:27 am
FYI, I also updated the length for section 44 as 9:03, instead of 9:04. It seems that the length is shown on my side as the second not rounded to the nearest integer but trimmed off to the nearby smaller integer. For example, section 43 was shown to me as 7:41 instead of 7:42.
One or two seconds on either side is okay. I am aware that some systems round up and some down, so I take that into account when comparing run times at cataloging time. :)
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PL note:

I listened to both sections and they are both updated as "PL OK". Many thanks for your nice recordings!

I will try to PL section 39 tomorrow.

Regards, 
Jessie
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thank you so much to all of you!
you did great work today, jessie!
special thx to you!
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https://librivox.org/uploads/triciag/laydownarms_66_suttner_128kb.mp3 9.76 KB 10m24s
https://librivox.org/uploads/triciag/laydownarms_67_suttner_128kb.mp3 14.50 KB 15m 28s
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chapter headings fixed. I fixed and loaded 41 this morning. 42 and 76 were ok as they were.

Thanks for your comments on quality of voice. Good to get positive feedback.

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schrm wrote: March 22nd, 2021, 12:09 am
drandall wrote: March 21st, 2021, 6:54 pm I would like to claim:

Sec. 57, Chap. 14, Part 2
Sec. 58, Chap. 14, Part 3
Sec. 59, Chap. 14, Part 4
Sec. 60, Chap. 14, Part 5
hi drandall,

welcome back :-)

chapter 14 is yours!
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thank you so much!

we are fully claimed for the first time!
unbelieable, what cleanup march did for this project...

where are phil's dancing gifs?
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In section 60 any suggestions on how to read the underlined text: "into the trench, the d——d Prussian.”
Thanks,
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UPRG11W wrote: March 27th, 2021, 8:38 am PL note:

I listened to both sections and they are both updated as "PL OK". Many thanks for your nice recordings!

I will try to PL section 39 tomorrow.

Regards, 
Jessie
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drandall: damned. It's sure not "dead"! When looking at a text visually, reader always puts the missing letters in, doesn't s/he? Even if s/he doesn't sound them out in the mind! I'd just say it. This book is pretty straight-forward (I read 8 sections). Verdammt in German is fairly common.

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Ok, sounds good!
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I'd do what the author intended: slur it together. :) (That D--d word occurs a lot like that in old books.)
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drandall wrote: March 27th, 2021, 5:50 pm In section 60 any suggestions on how to read the underlined text: "into the trench, the d——d Prussian.”
TriciaG wrote: March 27th, 2021, 6:19 pm I'd do what the author intended: slur it together. :) (That D--d word occurs a lot like that in old books.)
the suggestion to slur it together, means that, to mumble and stutter it, somehow?
that's genius!
like "that da... sigh prussians"?
-------------------

my answer is not that genius:
interpretation is up to the reader, but..
in all honesty, i would read it as a censored version.

here are my thoughts:
- our rule never change or omit what is printed (unless it is a footnote, or one the keyword-summaries undertitles, or evidently a typo)
- von suttner was herself a member of that class, and in this book wrote about austrian nobility. they were speaking a dialect-version of german, several languages, but were not known for vulgar language.
- speaking as a servant to an upper class member, he may have used the same upper class dialect version of german - but: i doubt, they used the word damned.
- we austrians censor words like these in our every day communication, but have no nobility anymore (there are laws, which degrade them). eg the word sh*** is rather common, but it is also common to abbreviate it to "shshsh" (even in speaking).
- i looked at the german version of the text and found the word damned several times - but i never found it in the context of persons (or enemies - lay down your arms is the tite of the book, isn't it? she was against war propaganda for sure, but hated the warlords).

that said, i'm fine with your decision. you can even read the letters including the underlines, like given.

what i can add is, i can suggest to trust your feeling: while reading, let the text carrying you and leading you (to find your solution).
it should be a solution, which is fine for you as the reader!

cheers,
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realisticspeakers wrote: March 27th, 2021, 6:09 pm
UPRG11W wrote: March 27th, 2021, 8:38 am PL note:

I listened to both sections and they are both updated as "PL OK". Many thanks for your nice recordings!

I will try to PL section 39 tomorrow.

Regards, 
Jessie
thank you for having to put up with me :lol:
big thx to both of you :-)
cheers
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