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lurcherlover wrote: January 24th, 2022, 9:02 am https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf089_americanenglishtradition_ayres_pt_128kb.mp3

America and the English tradition by Harry Morgan Ayres (1881-1948)

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Source: https://gutenberg.org/files/38280/38280-h/38280-h.htm#page_153

Hope all is OK.

Peter
Hi Peter, Everything is well on this side of the Atlantic, and I hope it is on your side too.

Prof. Ayers was writing in 1920, and his views of Anglo-American history and relations reflected the world as it stood in the aftermath of WWI. In 2022--a hundred years later--some of what Ayers believed to be "eternal truths" do not seem to me to have held up too well...for instance his assertion that "Peace and prosperity will endure in the world in some very precise relation to the extent to which England succeeds in understanding us [the Americans]." Or "...what England has to offer the world...is not simply her institutions; it is not merely a formula for the effective discharge of police duty throughout the world; it is the English freeman..."

I wonder what you thought of this essay, from a British perspective.

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Sue Anderson wrote: January 24th, 2022, 6:21 pm
Hi Peter, Everything is well on this side of the Atlantic, and I hope it is on your side too.

Prof. Ayers was writing in 1920, and his views of Anglo-American history and relations reflected the world as it stood in the aftermath of WWI. In 2022--a hundred years later--some of what Ayers believed to be "eternal truths" do not seem to me to have held up too well...for instance his assertion that "Peace and prosperity will endure in the world in some very precise relation to the extent to which England succeeds in understanding us [the Americans]." Or "...what England has to offer the world...is not simply her institutions; it is not merely a formula for the effective discharge of police duty throughout the world; it is the English freeman..."

I wonder what you thought of this essay, from a British perspective.

PL OK! :D
Well, it was interesting, but I agree that some of it seems quite out of date now, and maybe it was unduly optimistic. I do not think the bits about the British Empire is a very accurate depiction of how we thought about things then. (Or rather in the 1940's when things really got underway) It was more likely that Britain (or the British Government) at that time was quite angry at having to contemplate the giving up of various bits of the Empire in the near future.

And of course British opinion now in the 21st Century is one of regret that we had an Empire, and were such passionate Imperialists. And the trend now is to tear down the statues of slave traders and Imperialists and give them as bad a press as possible. Even the Monarchy is facing heavy criticism as being Imperialist (and other misdemeanours) and I think personally that their days are numbered. (If you would like them as a gift we might be quite happy to send them!)

As a historical perspective, it was possibly a good refection of the times.

Peter
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msfry wrote: January 25th, 2022, 2:46 pm Here is another one for the collection:
Booker T. Washington,
Atlanta Compromise Speech
https://thehermitage.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Booker-T-Washington_Atlanta-Compromise-Speech_1895.pdf

https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf089_atlantacompromisespeech_washington_mtf_128kb.mp3 11:14

Here is an actual rare audio recording of Booker giving the first part of this speech.
https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/civil-rights-act/multimedia/booker-t-washington.html
Hi Michele,

Thank you very much for reading this important speech by Booker T. Washington, outlining, in 1895, what he felt to be the future of relations between Blacks and Whites in the United States. :)

I'd like to comment about sourcing before I say anything else. As the SNF book coordinator I always emphasize the need to pay close attention to sources, As you know, we need to read from clearly attributable, published, public domain sources. While this is true of every recording at LibriVox, it is even more imperative when we are dealing Black History.

When a speech is transcribed into a contemporary secondary source, the possibility exists that some parts of the original speech might be left out. Or, the title of the speech might be changed to reflect modern sensibilities. That is why I believe it is important to trace the speech back to it's original form.

The citation for the transcription of Booker T. Washington's speech published on the Andrew Jackson Hermitage site is from a website called BlackPast.org. On the BlackPast website, the citation for Washington's speech, which is transcribed there is: "Alice M. Bacon, The Negro and the Atlanta Exposition (Baltimore: The Trustees, 1896), 12-16."

Bacon's book, which has a copy of Washington's speech, is available on archive.org: https://archive.org/details/negroatlantaexpo00baco/page/14/mode/1up

There is also an authorized contemporary copy of Washington's speech, published in 1895, which can be viewed on the the U.S. Library of Congress website: https://www.loc.gov/item/90898322/

I PL'd your recording against these three sources. There is one place in particular where the transcription and the original sources differ.

From the authorized 1895 "Address of Booker T. Washington" [Library of Congress; Bacon reads similarly]

"Our greatest danger is, that in the great leap from slavery to freedom we may overlook the fact that the masses of us are to live by the productions of our hands, and fail to keep in mind that we shall prosper in proportion as we learn to dignify and glorify common labor and put brains and skill into the common occupations of life; shall prosper in proportion as we learn to draw the line between the superficial and the substantial, the ornamental gewgaws of life and the useful." https://www.loc.gov/item/90898322/


As transcribed on the BackPast website and re-published on the Andrew Jackson Hermitage website:

"Our greatest danger is, that, in the great leap from slavery to freedom, we may overlook the the fact that the masses of us are to live by the productions of our hands, and fail to keep in mind that we shall prosper in proportion as we learn to draw the line between superficial and the substantial, the ornamental gewgaws of life and the useful."
https://thehermitage.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Booker-T-Washington_Atlanta-Compromise-Speech_1895.pdf
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So--I am asking that you make two edits:

1) Change the title of Washington's speech, as recorded, from "The Atlanta Compromise Speech" to "Address of Booker T. Washington Delivered at the Opening of the Cotton States and International Exposition, at Atlanta, Georgia, September 18, 1895" [https://www.loc.gov/resource/lcrbmrp.t0c15/?sp=1&r=-0.02,0.205,1.149,0.762,0]

2) Read the paragraph about "common labor" as it was originally written [https://www.loc.gov/resource/lcrbmrp.t0c15/?sp=7&r=-0.111,0.514,1.097,0.716,0]

I appreciate your efforts in this regard!
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On a different topic, your collection of covers looks fabulous! Congratulations on making these LibriVox volumes come alive with such vibrant color and graphics! Very well done. :D
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VOLUME 089 IS FULL. Vol. 090 will be open shortly. Keep an eye out for it in the "Readers Wanted: Short Works (Poetry and Prose)" thread. Thanks!
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Unfortunately, this speech has come to be known as the Atlanta Compromise Speech, not by the long official title. Let me see if I can find an acceptable source using that title, or I fear it will be buried under that more obscure title. Let's put it on hold for now, please.

Thank you for the compliment on my covers. I've done over 500 now and still greatly enjoy decorating our books, checking to see how many views they have received on IA, etc.

EDIT: Oops I see you have declared this project as FULL. What to do now?
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How about I read an excerpt from Chapter 14 of Up From Slavery, here, which contains the full speech.
Chapter XIV. The Atlanta Exposition Address
https://archive.org/details/upfromslaveryan03washgoog/page/n10/mode/2up
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msfry wrote: January 26th, 2022, 9:11 am How about I read an excerpt from Chapter 14 of Up From Slavery, here, which contains the full speech.
Chapter XIV. The Atlanta Exposition Address
https://archive.org/details/upfromslaveryan03washgoog/page/n10/mode/2up
Hi Michele,

I really like the idea of sourcing the Atlanta speech from Washington's autobiography. His personal introduction to the speech--chapter XIV (pages 217-18) is much better than the title and introductory paragraph from the Hermitage transcription. The Hermitage intro, which contained the phrase "address...which became known as the "Atlanta Compromise Speech" made me nervous, because labeling the speech as "compromise" [interpreted by some as "appeasement"] is an after-the-fact characterization of Washington's remarks and, I would guess that "compromise" was not so much on his mind as "the desire to say something that would cement the friendship of the races and bring about hearty cooperation between them." [Ch. XIV, Autobiography, p. 217].

I don't see why you should have to record your selection all over again. I would suggest that you simply do a very careful listen to the speech against the text on pages 218-225 of the Autobiography and correct those spots where the Hermitage transcription is incorrect.

There were a few, but not many, deviations that I noticed beyond the obvious one I pointed out to you. One that I remember is in the sentence (bottom of page 220 in the Autobiography) where the Autobiography text reads "Cast it [the bucket] down among the eight millions of Negroes whose habits you know, whose fidelity and love you have tested in days when to have proved treacherous meant the ruin of your fireside." The Hermitage transcription substitutes the word "loyalty" for "fidelity;" and that bothered me; there is a difference... Another is where the Hermitage transcription leaves out "And a third and fourth signal for water was answered, "Cast down your bucket where you are." [Autobiography, p. 219]. Repetition as a device here adds to the force of Washington's oratory and is lost by the omission in the Hermitage version.

What I would suggest is this: make your SNF089 selection from pages 217-225 of the Autobiography. These pages contain Washington's introductory remarks and the speech itself. Stop there for now. Chapter XIV goes on for another 12 pages, which would make another interesting read for a later date.

Of course, you can do what you want with the new source. It's an excellent choice! :D
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Ok, barring a heart attack, earthquake, or some other such calamity, I'll get that done today.

Another interesting speech would be the rebuttal by W. DuBois, who didn't like Washington's peaceful, patient approach. He favored agitation and protest NOW.
I wonder if it might be better to have both of those in the same collection.
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msfry wrote: January 26th, 2022, 11:10 am Ok, barring a heart attack, earthquake, or some other such calamity, I'll get that done today.

Another interesting speech would be the rebuttal by W. DuBois, who didn't like Washington's peaceful, patient approach. He favored agitation and protest NOW.
I wonder if it might be better to have both of those in the same collection.
Oh....ambition! Are you contemplating TWO reads today? :wink: We're on #20... but of course we could find a place...

On the other hand, if you really think the two speeches should be together, and you want to read DuBois for vol. 90, I can slide Washington over to vol. 90 and open up #20 again in this volume. But perhaps Washington and DuBois would prefer not to share a volume of the SNF? Let me know.
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Okay, starting over with an edited recording, new file name, new text source, and I went over the whole speech with a fine tooth comb. I was amazed at how many subtle differences there were that slightly changed meaning, even beyond those you cited, and beyond mere grammatical tidying up -- amounting to a wee bit of revisionism.

https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf089_atlantaexpositionaddress_washington_mtf_128kb.mp3 12:45
Source: https://archive.org/details/upfromslaveryan03washgoog/page/n232/mode/2up?q=217
Excerpted from Chapter 14.

The Intro includes material gleaned verbatim from Chapter 13, "A Five Minute Speech", referencing the same speech.
"Atlanta Cotton states and International Exposition, at Atlanta, Ga., September i8, 1895." found on Page 206
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I may tackle DuBois at a later time, when something interesting crosses my path. We'll give Booker T. safe harbor for now. :thumbs:
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"Rugby School' (Charles Eyre Pascoe, editor)

https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf089_rugbyschool_pascoe_ks_128kb.mp3 (title page)

https://archive.org/details/everydaylifeinou00pascuoft/page/171/mode/1up (Rugby's section)

https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf089_rugbyschool_pascoe_ks_128kb.mp3 (47:42)

EDIT: Oh! I see you are full. Shall I save this information for the next time or can you roll it over right away into the next volume?
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msfry wrote: January 26th, 2022, 2:41 pm Okay, starting over with an edited recording, new file name, new text source, and I went over the whole speech with a fine tooth comb. I was amazed at how many subtle differences there were that slightly changed meaning, even beyond those you cited, and beyond mere grammatical tidying up -- amounting to a wee bit of revisionism.

https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf089_atlantaexpositionaddress_washington_mtf_128kb.mp3 12:45
Source: https://archive.org/details/upfromslaveryan03washgoog/page/n232/mode/2up?q=217
Excerpted from Chapter 14.

The Intro includes material gleaned verbatim from Chapter 13, "A Five Minute Speech", referencing the same speech.
"Atlanta Cotton states and International Exposition, at Atlanta, Ga., September i8, 1895." found on Page 206
Michele, Thank you so much for re-doing this! :D The "wee it of revisionism" was evident to me in the transcription. Now, we can be assured that anyone turning to LibriVox to listen to Booker T. Washington's speech, will hear his words as he spoke them! Your prompt attention to the edits is very much appreciated by me! :D

I will be glad to include "Atlanta compromise speech" among the key words that we will be posting for vol. 089 on the archive.org site. That way, if anybody searches for Washington's Exposition speech using those words, they will still find it at LibriVox.

Your recording is PL OK! :thumbs:

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KevinS wrote: January 26th, 2022, 5:28 pm "Rugby School' (Charles Eyre Pascoe, editor)

https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf089_rugbyschool_pascoe_ks_128kb.mp3 (title page)

https://archive.org/details/everydaylifeinou00pascuoft/page/171/mode/1up (Rugby's section)

https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf089_rugbyschool_pascoe_ks_128kb.mp3 (47:42)

EDIT: Oh! I see you are full. Shall I save this information for the next time or can you roll it over right away into the next volume?
Hi Kevin, If it's ok with you, let's make this the first selection for vol. 090. I can enter your file in the Magic Window once Vol. 90 is up and running, and Jo can change the file name to read the vol. number correctly.

I always hope for a good, solid, well-read, and interesting "first selection" to start off a volume, and I know we have just exactly that in your recording. :D So I hope vol. 090 is ok by you?

I'll PL shortly, if not tonight then tomorrow for sure.
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