[COMPLETE]The Empire Of Business, by Andrew Carnegie - tg

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Post by tding » September 15th, 2020, 8:52 am

msfry wrote:
September 4th, 2020, 5:26 pm
PL Notes Section 4

Only 2 small errors, both mispronouncing proper names:
8:52 "Babbit, for Babbit's metal", I hear Bam-bit, both times.
13:50 Hamilton, I hear Ha-mule-ton.
All else very well read! An interesting chapter, and nice listen.

What, not even an occasional beer?
Hello, Michele,

Thank you for the feedback. I apologize for the delay. Due to change of environment, my update doesn't seem compatible with the original. I plan to be back in the office after another week and will send the updated version then.

I agree with you - beer and wine are not what he was referring to!

Tina

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Post by tomlearningguy » September 15th, 2020, 4:42 pm

Hi Michele,

I have two questions:

1. In order to maintain the continuity of the Wealth chapter for the listener, may I also be assigned to read Section 12?

2. There are a couple of tables in Section 11. In order to read this most naturally, shall I read one record at a time, reading the heading and the field datum, the next column heading and that field's datum, and so on?

I'll have my finished product completed this weekend and ready for review.

Thank you,

Tom
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Post by msfry » September 15th, 2020, 4:56 pm

1. If you are comfortable handling two relatively long sections, that's fine with me, Tom. I'll put you in. :)

2. This is a common problem with texts containing visuals (illustrations, charts and graphs). In this case I would read these charts as a sentence, something like:
680 thousand persons in the Rich Class, with a combined wealth of 60 billion dollars, taxes collected, 190 million dollars. Pause
5 million 100 thousand persons in the Middle Class, with a combined.........etc.
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Post by tomlearningguy » September 15th, 2020, 5:03 pm

Thank you, Michele!

Best,

Tom
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Post by msfry » September 15th, 2020, 5:25 pm

Section 14, Wages, is PL OK. Well done, Joanne! :thumbs:
Andy's comments that today's legislators cannot possibly legislate for future generations is profound, but scary. It is true we have no idea what circumstances the future holds.
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Post by tding » September 17th, 2020, 8:46 am

msfry wrote:
September 4th, 2020, 5:26 pm
PL Notes Section 4

Only 2 small errors, both mispronouncing proper names:
8:52 "Babbit, for Babbit's metal", I hear Bam-bit, both times.
13:50 Hamilton, I hear Ha-mule-ton.
All else very well read! An interesting chapter, and nice listen.

What, not even an occasional beer?
Michele, I've uploaded the revised Section 4 for your review. Many thanks.

Tina

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Post by TriciaG » September 17th, 2020, 8:51 am

Oops - I see this is full. Moving to Readers Found. :)
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Post by msfry » September 17th, 2020, 9:04 am

I still hear Hamuleton for Hamilton, but I will go ahead and mark this PL OK. Thanks for your contribution. I look forward to your next section. :D
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Post by msfry » September 17th, 2020, 9:45 am

Section 19 Family Relations is PL OK.

Wow, Cat, this essay takes my breath away. Heavy material, narrated perfectly. Socialists favor the abolition of property, marriage and family, and children are owned by the state!!! Exactly what BLM advocates today on their website.

I would have read that with way too much sarcasm, I'm afraid. :twisted:

You might want to go to the Autobiography Of Andrew Carnegie, and listen to the last half of Chapter 15, where Carnegie describes his idyllic marriage. I'm going to record that for the next Love Stories Collection.
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Post by msfry » September 17th, 2020, 12:22 pm

PL Notes on Section 21 - Railway Rates and Rebates

Nice read, Joanne, and a very interesting story on the birth of the railroads. Who knew it was so complicated.

Thoughts on using quotes:
During the meeting, from around 18:20 to 22:50 (and at various other places too numerous to mention), I recommend you delete all or most of the quote/unquotes. There are far too many of them in a single conversation. and most of the quotes can be distinguished by he said/she said comments, or verbal emphasis.

Examples:
We were given the quote most favoured nation unquote status. (choppy)
We were given the ... most favoured nation ... status. (smooth)

TIP: I reserve use of quotes to when the quote can't be distinguished from the surrounding text, or a book is quoted, and that can quite often be accomplished by a pause. Ultimately it is up to the reader, of course, but too many verbal quote/unquotes can make for very choppy reading.

I'll wait to hear back from you before marking this file ok.
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Post by djpentz » September 18th, 2020, 4:23 am

msfry wrote:
September 10th, 2020, 7:07 am
Thanks, Darryl. I'll be looking for 17 in the near future, (or I'll have to chase you around the moon and back on my broomstick). Take care of yourself. :D
Oh dear, I'm going to have to go into lockdown for my own safety it seems. :D I'm over my cold now and my voice isn't so croaky anymore. I'll get stuck in and hopefully have it with you shortly, fingers crossed!

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Post by jhturner » September 18th, 2020, 8:45 am

Michele, I've successfully excised the quotation marks and re-uploaded

https://librivox.org/uploads/triciag/empireofbusiness_21_carnegie_128kb.mp3

The new time is 36:02. Thanks for your suggestion--it sounds much better.

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Post by msfry » September 18th, 2020, 10:40 am

jhturner wrote:
September 18th, 2020, 8:45 am
Michele, I've successfully excised the quotation marks and re-uploaded

https://librivox.org/uploads/triciag/empireofbusiness_21_carnegie_128kb.mp3

The new time is 36:02. Thanks for your suggestion--it sounds much better.

Joanne
Fantastic! 21 is PL OK :thumbs:
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Post by djpentz » September 19th, 2020, 4:07 am

Section 17 - Individualism vs Socialism uploaded:

https://librivox.org/uploads/triciag/empireofbusiness_17_carnegie_128kb.mp3

Length: 27:45

One note:
On p310, sentence starting: "The foresight of New York...", the grammar doesn't quite make sense. The photocopy of the book seems slightly clipped but I can't figure out a different grammar to what's visible. Feel free to suggest an alternative.

P.S. Since this is my first completed upload, just FYI that I did the following as per Adrian Stevens' tutorials:
- Noise reduction
- ReplayGain
- Truncate silence to 2s
- Edited entire recording removing any swallowing or glitchy sounds as best as possible

Feel free to be fussy and request improvements. The AudacityForce is still weak with me. :-)
Last edited by djpentz on September 20th, 2020, 12:25 am, edited 1 time in total.

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Post by msfry » September 19th, 2020, 12:51 pm

PL Notes 17 Individualism vs. Socialism

Well read, Darryl, gotta say I envy the Brittish accent. Great job on your first file. Hope you read a lot for LV.
Love the tortoise and hare analogy!

You asked for crits/comments, so here goes:
This section is difficult in a few ways. First there are lot of quotes to deal with, some of which can be ignored and others I think need the verbal cues.
Second, whoever scanned this book sometimes did not press down hard enough, resulting in the first letter of the lines on a page to be cut off. This makes it tough on us occasionally to cipher the words (actually not that often). One method is to find another copy in a different format, but I couldn't find one. The other is the "best guess" method.
That said, let me list my PL Notes, then share my thoughts on these difficulties.

PL Notes
Please decrease lead silence to 1 second.
2:23 Missing sentence: "Number Three is only Adam Smith's doctrine in different words."
3:25 - 3:32 Mr. McDonald is quoted in the midst of Carnegie's speech, but without the quote/end quote, you can't tell that. Tho I avoid them where possible, this is one of those instances where q/eq is vital.
7:11 as also do some of the colonies, you say always
9:25 "Socialism has no place in these lands.", is not part of the inscription on the Prince of Peace pedestal, but without the quote/endquote, it sounds like it is. Because the statue is world famous, this is one of those instances where q/eq is essential.
14:05 All could be treated alike, you say created (the left side of the t is cut off, but treated makes more sense than created.

This chapter is a difficult one to figure out how to handle the frequent McDonald quotes. For example, at
1:39 The numbered list ends and Carnegie begins to speak, but that is hard to tell without the "end quote" OR a long pause.
I listened to the rest of the piece marveling at the number of quote/end quotes, and glad I hadn't chosen this section! Just kidding, it happens all the time in lots of books. I sometimes record them in, then edit them out upon final PL. Easier to cut out than add in.

So that's it. If you need help with editing, let me know. Lots of tips and tricks in the Librivox Videos, too. C X and Z keystrokes are particularly important.
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