[COMPLETE] Twain and Howells-On Each Other - availle

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Post by johng » May 19th, 2019, 3:37 pm

William Dean Howells by Mark Twain (1835 - 1910) & My Mark Twain: Literary Friends and Acquaintances by William Dean Howells (1837-1920) .

This project is now complete. All audio files can be downloaded from the catalog page here:
https://librivox.org/william-dean-howells-and-my-mark-twain-by-mark-twain-and-william-dean-howells/

Mark Twain (Samuel Clemens) and William Dean Howells were friends for 44 years. Their personal and professional relationship is considered by many to be one of the most important in American literature. Howells published his famous "My Mark Twain" in the same year Clemens died, 1910. A few years earlier, Clemens wrote this "remembrance" and "appreciation" of the man who stuck with him through the ups and downs of his long literary journey. (John Greenman)
  • Text source (only read from this text!): (by Twain) https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.c087222515;view=1up;seq=255
    (by Howells) http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3390/3390.txt
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    BC Admin Keywords that describe the book: mark twain, william dean howells
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    START of recording (Intro):
    • (for Twain essay) - "William Dean Howells by Mark Twain. This is a LibriVox recording. All LibriVox recordings are in the public domain. For more information, or to volunteer, please visit: librivox DOT org" (for Howells book) - "My Mark Twain by William Dean Howells. This is a LibriVox recording. All LibriVox recordings are in the public domain. For more information, or to volunteer, please visit: librivox DOT org"
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Post by johng » May 21st, 2019, 8:05 am

This should be a pretty straightforward project.
Just one large file...standing along...with Sam's thoughts about Howells, his long-time friend.
:-)
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Post by TriciaG » May 21st, 2019, 9:01 am

This text source isn't acceptable for LV.

We'd need a pre-1923 scan or a trustworthy PD source. This site doesn't cut it. Sorry! :?
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Post by johng » May 21st, 2019, 9:11 am

TriciaG wrote:
May 21st, 2019, 9:01 am
This text source isn't acceptable for LV.

We'd need a pre-1923 scan or a trustworthy PD source. This site doesn't cut it. Sorry! :?
I’m waiting for a source from the web page owner since he claims it’s PD.
See bottom of page:
https://www.everywritersresource.com/about-us/amp/

Meanwhile, i’ll be recording the work anyway.
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Post by chocoholic » May 21st, 2019, 9:38 am

Yes, maybe he can send you a scan of the original or a link to the text on Gutenberg or HathiTrust (which is what we'd link on our catalog page too). If a known PD original isn't available, you can still upload your recording to Archive on your own or through another audiobook provider, it just wouldn't be a Librivox project.
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Post by johng » May 21st, 2019, 9:41 am

I understand
Tnx
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Post by johng » May 21st, 2019, 2:56 pm

As I understand LV policy...you can't "Publish" a copyrighted PAGE as a source for material...even though the material itself is in the PD.

Here's some info from a librarian:
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Hmm, I wonder. If the Twain text itself originally appeared in a newspaper publication in 1851, wouldn't that be the original copyright date, meaning the text itself is in the public domain? The copyright notice on this collection says "previously unpublished material by Mark Twain copyright 1979" and "original material copyright 1979," but I wouldn't think either of those apply to Twain's text that was published in a paper in 1851.

Even if the '79 date applies, there may be some wiggle room depending on whether it was published with notice/registered/renewed. See Cornell's handy table for details. Copyright was bonkers starting around that time and has never, in my opinion, gotten better.

Anyway, hope that helps!
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Post by TriciaG » May 21st, 2019, 3:00 pm

It helps a little, but not much. We'd need to find the scan of the newspaper, I think, or get copyright clearance from PG.

Here's a link to our text acceptance policy: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=72912
Texts acceptable for LV:
* Scans of works which show the publication year as being 1923 or earlier
* Texts available on Gutenberg.org (see note below)
* Texts available as "full view" on HathiTrust.org
* Texts from other sites that state clearly which edition the text came from, and that do not restrict the use of their text with a CC or other license (gutenberg.au, bartleby.com, and plenty of others)

Sources that share transcribed works (works rendered into html) without a clear statement of what edition they came from aren't allowed
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Post by johng » May 21st, 2019, 7:14 pm

Perhaps LV needs to update its policy a little bit...
Here's a point of view from the Twain List discussion...

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Just a theory, and I am certainly no lawyer. But, while the web page may be copyrighted, the text by Twain certainly isn't, being of a certain age. And we are of a digital age, so why not simply copy ONLY the Twain text from that page and paste it into whatever software you use to create your scripts? Or, if that still feels unethical, just type the text yourself, using the text on the web page as your model.

Keep in mind that someone somewhere had to type in that text at some point in order for that web page to exist. Might have been that web page's creator; might have been someone else many years ago. Whoever did it presumably felt free to do it because the copyright had long ago expired and the text passed into the public domain.

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Post by chocoholic » May 21st, 2019, 7:57 pm

Oh, if it were only so simple. Yes, a text published in the United States during Twain's lifetime should be public domain, but we don't know when this one was published (posthumous publication does happen). Even if we find the original publication date, there's no way to know if a text typed onto a website is a duplicate of a PD original without comparing it with the PD original. Modern versions are sometimes changed to correct "errors" or make the language align with modern usage, especially with racial terms. And in my experience as an LV admin, most people don't really know what public domain means. It's very common for people to think "freely available online" is the same as "public domain." So there's no particular reason to think that someone who typed or copied a text onto a website diligently checked the copyright status of the source text.

Those are the main reasons for our text policy.
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Post by johng » May 22nd, 2019, 3:37 am

Thanks Laurie Ann’n
I appreciate the time you’ve put into this.
I guess there’s no solution to the problem of old material within a copyrighted work! It can’t be used unless the copyright holder makes the work PD???
Even though the material is CLEARLY very old.
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Post by TriciaG » May 22nd, 2019, 5:02 am

Moving this to Book Suggestions until the copyright situation is ironed out.
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Post by johng » May 22nd, 2019, 5:14 am

TriciaG wrote:
May 22nd, 2019, 5:02 am
Moving this to Book Suggestions until the copyright situation is ironed out.
please check out the NEW URL for the work

Welcome Helen!!

and Thanks for being PR again!!!!
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Post by TriciaG » May 22nd, 2019, 5:19 am

Yay!!

And now, issue #2 - this should really go in the Short Nonfiction Collection anyway, since it's 1 section, maybe 20 minutes long. Items in the collections are searchable in the catalog.

The collections introduce listeners to different authors and readers in our catalog. So, by putting this in the Nonfiction collection, you'll introduce listeners who only know Twain as the author of Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn to a different side of the author - and to your recordings!

Here's the link to the current collection: viewtopic.php?f=19&t=74648
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Post by johng » May 22nd, 2019, 6:40 am

I am hoping that this work can stand on its own since I will be recording Howells "My Mark Twain" next...and would like to refer each to the other.
This recording is just shy of 30 minutes long!
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