[COMPLETE][POETRY] The Poems of Madison Cawein, Volume 3 by Madison Cawein - kit
Hi Larry,
No grudge held.
Eventually a Poetry-Coffee meeting would take place and we'll have the chance to amuse each other over this issue or others, more fun and entertaining.
I'll be myself regardless, and I know you'll signal when my interpretations are off (in your opinion). Lol!
Cheers!
Cornel.
No grudge held.
Eventually a Poetry-Coffee meeting would take place and we'll have the chance to amuse each other over this issue or others, more fun and entertaining.
I'll be myself regardless, and I know you'll signal when my interpretations are off (in your opinion). Lol!
Cheers!
Cornel.
Cornel Nemes
ok, Jordan, Larry and Cornel, I read this whole discussion now and also listened to the poem "The Haunted House". Concerning the laugh at the end, I will have to agree with Jordan and Larry, and it’s best cut out.
But please, Cornel, it should not be seen as a kind of “censoring” from the side of LibriVox. I think you will agree that your interpretation throughout the poem is very personal and very outgoing, and neither Jordan nor Larry have censored any of that. It’s your interpretation, regardless whether it’s what Cawein had in mind, or what me or any other listener have in mind when they read it. You're the reader so that’s your choice and we accept that. If someone takes offense to your interpretation and thinks they can do it better, then they simply have to register here and do their own recording of it
Let me explain, why the laugh is a different matter altogether. It would come under the LV rule “don’t change what the author wrote”. In this case, Cawein did not include a laugh in his text. If for example the final line had been (I invent now): “...and he laughed while he walked. Ha ha ha ha ha” (End of poem). Then you would have been absolutely free to read this “ha ha ha ha” either as “boring as you wanted” or as “maniacal as you wanted”, depending on your temperament and how you wanted the poem to feel like.
But he did not include a written “haha” line, so in this case, you changed the text, you basically invented a line that wasn’t there. It’s not censoring if the DPL points out that you read a line that is not there. Jordan would also have flagged it if your eyes had by mistake slipped to the next poem and out of oversight you had read a line from a different poem (it happens). Then you would have had to cut this line as well, and you cannot really call that "censoring an interpretation", it’s only "correcting an error", and that’s the job of the DPL, to check whether all the lines are there, and no lines that should not be there.
I can give you a good example to illustrate this from one of the poems I read a while ago, if I’m not mistaken it was even a Cawein poem as well. Can’t remember the exact wording, so I’m paraphrasing the lines. It was about an owl and in one line the owl was speaking and the author wrote “who, who, who are you ?”. Here I chose to read the “who” and “you” a bit like the hooting of an owl. So “whooo, are youuuu”. And that is totally fine and would be acceptable. What would not have been acceptable is if the author had written: “And the owl told me: Can I show you the way ?” and I would have read “And the owl told me (hoo-hoo, hoo-hoo = hooting sound done by me) Can I show you the way (ho-hoooo)” But I could have said: “Can I show youuuu the way” to make it sound as if an owl was speaking. There is a difference because in the first example I was editing the text and inserting words that are not in the original. I hope you see this difference.
You are still new around here, so you don’t know Larry (or me for that matter) long enough, but we are both very active and very outgoing (and over the top ) in the drama forum, so if anybody can understand interpretation it’s us two, believe me. You should hear Larry’s stage directions in some of the plays, he is not a “boring narrator” but really part of the play when he reads his lines. So your judgement of him here of being censoring is hurtful and quite unfair in his case.
Sonia
But please, Cornel, it should not be seen as a kind of “censoring” from the side of LibriVox. I think you will agree that your interpretation throughout the poem is very personal and very outgoing, and neither Jordan nor Larry have censored any of that. It’s your interpretation, regardless whether it’s what Cawein had in mind, or what me or any other listener have in mind when they read it. You're the reader so that’s your choice and we accept that. If someone takes offense to your interpretation and thinks they can do it better, then they simply have to register here and do their own recording of it
Let me explain, why the laugh is a different matter altogether. It would come under the LV rule “don’t change what the author wrote”. In this case, Cawein did not include a laugh in his text. If for example the final line had been (I invent now): “...and he laughed while he walked. Ha ha ha ha ha” (End of poem). Then you would have been absolutely free to read this “ha ha ha ha” either as “boring as you wanted” or as “maniacal as you wanted”, depending on your temperament and how you wanted the poem to feel like.
But he did not include a written “haha” line, so in this case, you changed the text, you basically invented a line that wasn’t there. It’s not censoring if the DPL points out that you read a line that is not there. Jordan would also have flagged it if your eyes had by mistake slipped to the next poem and out of oversight you had read a line from a different poem (it happens). Then you would have had to cut this line as well, and you cannot really call that "censoring an interpretation", it’s only "correcting an error", and that’s the job of the DPL, to check whether all the lines are there, and no lines that should not be there.
I can give you a good example to illustrate this from one of the poems I read a while ago, if I’m not mistaken it was even a Cawein poem as well. Can’t remember the exact wording, so I’m paraphrasing the lines. It was about an owl and in one line the owl was speaking and the author wrote “who, who, who are you ?”. Here I chose to read the “who” and “you” a bit like the hooting of an owl. So “whooo, are youuuu”. And that is totally fine and would be acceptable. What would not have been acceptable is if the author had written: “And the owl told me: Can I show you the way ?” and I would have read “And the owl told me (hoo-hoo, hoo-hoo = hooting sound done by me) Can I show you the way (ho-hoooo)” But I could have said: “Can I show youuuu the way” to make it sound as if an owl was speaking. There is a difference because in the first example I was editing the text and inserting words that are not in the original. I hope you see this difference.
You are still new around here, so you don’t know Larry (or me for that matter) long enough, but we are both very active and very outgoing (and over the top ) in the drama forum, so if anybody can understand interpretation it’s us two, believe me. You should hear Larry’s stage directions in some of the plays, he is not a “boring narrator” but really part of the play when he reads his lines. So your judgement of him here of being censoring is hurtful and quite unfair in his case.
Sonia
irondog70 wrote: ↑April 28th, 2019, 10:51 am Hi,
Here are the corrections for 222 and 223;
https://librivox.org/uploads/kitty/poemscawein3_222_cawein_128kb.mp3
Duration: 2:37
https://librivox.org/uploads/kitty/poemscawein3_223_cawein_128kb.mp3
Duration: 1:51
All three are PL OK.irondog70 wrote: ↑April 28th, 2019, 8:33 pm Here's my 19 The Haunted House with the, censored, laughing part removed as, unreasonably, requested:
https://librivox.org/uploads/kitty/poemscawein3_019_cawein_128kb.mp3
Duration: 4:16.
Thank you.
Jordan
Alcohol and Maths don't mix. So never drink and derive.
Alcohol and Maths don't mix. So never drink and derive.
Thank you Sonia for taking the time to bring more arguments and decent reasons to the Awesome Laughing.
I have and I will comply with the Authority (Admins), because I am observant to rules and discipline.( A civilized society/organization must have certain rules, beside the common sense, in order to properly function. I am fully aware how the same debate/argument can end with a different ruling, according to the subjectivity of the Justices or of the Jurors ) )
Reading and dramatic interpretation are different and alike in many aspects.
I'll be open to advice and suggestions from all of you, for the future.
Please, don't misjudge me if I'll "talk back" many times! It'll be in a very respectful way.
Thanks again to all of you, for taking the time to make it clearer,
Cornel.
I have and I will comply with the Authority (Admins), because I am observant to rules and discipline.( A civilized society/organization must have certain rules, beside the common sense, in order to properly function. I am fully aware how the same debate/argument can end with a different ruling, according to the subjectivity of the Justices or of the Jurors ) )
Reading and dramatic interpretation are different and alike in many aspects.
I'll be open to advice and suggestions from all of you, for the future.
Please, don't misjudge me if I'll "talk back" many times! It'll be in a very respectful way.
Thanks again to all of you, for taking the time to make it clearer,
Cornel.
Cornel Nemes
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Hi, Larry!
I'd like to claim sections 18, 26, 61, 65, 74, 130, 131, 134, 140, 174, 191, and 205.
Matt
I'd like to claim sections 18, 26, 61, 65, 74, 130, 131, 134, 140, 174, 191, and 205.
Matt
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I would like to claim 115-117 please.
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Thank you!brightwriter419 wrote: ↑April 30th, 2019, 5:43 pm Hi, Larry!
I'd like to claim sections 18, 26, 61, 65, 74, 130, 131, 134, 140, 174, 191, and 205.
Matt
I've put you in for all of these.
On the road again, so delays are possible
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Welcome aboard!
On the road again, so delays are possible
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I wanted to get my work on this project started so here is Section 96:
https://librivox.org/uploads/kitty/poemscawein3_096_cawein_128kb.mp3
Run time is 1:51
Take care,
Greg
https://librivox.org/uploads/kitty/poemscawein3_096_cawein_128kb.mp3
Run time is 1:51
Take care,
Greg
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Thanks!GregGiordano wrote: ↑May 1st, 2019, 10:06 pm I wanted to get my work on this project started so here is Section 96:
https://librivox.org/uploads/kitty/poemscawein3_096_cawein_128kb.mp3
Run time is 1:51
Take care,
Greg
In the MW Ready for PL
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Thanks, Larry!silverquill wrote: ↑May 1st, 2019, 10:41 pmThanks!GregGiordano wrote: ↑May 1st, 2019, 10:06 pm I wanted to get my work on this project started so here is Section 96:
https://librivox.org/uploads/kitty/poemscawein3_096_cawein_128kb.mp3
Run time is 1:51
Take care,
Greg
In the MW Ready for PL
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Hello. May I claim sections 4, 5, 6?
According to Confucius, "i hear and i forget ; i see and i remember ; i do and i understand."
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ahoy-hoy, may I have:
22 The Old Inn
23 The Mill-Water
24 The Dream
Thank you!
22 The Old Inn
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24 The Dream
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Thanks. All yours!
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