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Post by soupy » October 14th, 2017, 1:42 pm

Thanks MillionMoments - Fruit Soups is PLOK :thumbs:

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Post by Sue Anderson » October 14th, 2017, 1:53 pm

mlee wrote:Here is #2 History of Plymouth Plantation by William Bradford, Houghton Mifflin Company 1912, page 149.

https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf053_plymouthhistory_bradford_ml_128kb.mp3 7:45.5

1. Do I need to rework the intro and the ending.
2. Is the above footnote sufficient
3. There is more to the Chapter 9 but I choose to end it at "Their proper element."

I want to do this right just in case i find another great story - and there are legion.

mlee
Hi mlee, Thank you for this updated reading of the Mayflower story. You're right, it's certainly a great story!

To answer your questions, I'll start with your #3. Where you chose to end the reading is fine. You've chosen a dramatic moment, and that made a good ending.

Now, for your #2 (Is the above footnote sufficient). No, it isn't! What we need is a URL LINK to the actual source you read from. You say in your intro that you are reading from a book published in 1912 by Houghton Mifflin. We need a URL LINK to this particular book, so that we can proof listen from this source. This is also the source (eText) that will link your recording in the catalog. So, although I've entered your reading in the MW, it can't be proof listened to until we have that link!

For your question #1, the intro and outro are ok.

So, where to now? First off, thank you for your efforts to date. It's always a little confusing when you start out recording for a collection, where things are not just assigned and where you have to provide a lot of new info! I and our dedicated proof listener, Craig, understand that, and we're here to help.

Next, we need you to do two things:
1) Please provide a URL LINK to the actual book from which you read this selection.
2) Please keep looking at the MW to see if you need to make any corrections after your recording has been proof listened. You will note that Craig has asked for a correction to the reading from John Adams that you did previously. That is why your selection shows up in red in the MW.

Best wishes,

Sue, Book Coordinator

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Post by MillionMoments » October 15th, 2017, 1:49 am

Hi Million Moments, Thanks for Fruit Soups! :) Your selection really brought back memories for me, in this case my first "foreign" travel, which was to Mexico when I was 12 years old (a good long time ago!) An old friend of my father's, who was living in Mexico City, took us out to lunch. This friend was a vegetarian, and he took us to a vegetarian restaurant which was located on the 2nd floor of a building overlooking the Zocalo. We had fruit soup. I had never eaten "vegetarian" let alone heard of "fruit soup" or second floor restaurants, so it was quite a formative experience!
I hadn't heard of fruit soups until I found this book in the library. Can you tell how much I like saying fruit soups?

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Post by mlee » October 15th, 2017, 6:54 am

Sue Anderson wrote:
mlee wrote:Here is #2 History of Plymouth Plantation by William Bradford, Houghton Mifflin Company 1912, page 149.

https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf053_plymouthhistory_bradford_ml_128kb.mp3 7:45.5

1. Do I need to rework the intro and the ending.
2. Is the above footnote sufficient
3. There is more to the Chapter 9 but I choose to end it at "Their proper element."

I want to do this right just in case i find another great story - and there are legion.

mlee
Hi mlee, Thank you for this updated reading of the Mayflower story. You're right, it's certainly a great story!

To answer your questions, I'll start with your #3. Where you chose to end the reading is fine. You've chosen a dramatic moment, and that made a good ending.

Now, for your #2 (Is the above footnote sufficient). No, it isn't! What we need is a URL LINK to the actual source you read from. You say in your intro that you are reading from a book published in 1912 by Houghton Mifflin. We need a URL LINK to this particular book, so that we can proof listen from this source. This is also the source (eText) that will link your recording in the catalog. So, although I've entered your reading in the MW, it can't be proof listened to until we have that link!

For your question #1, the intro and outro are ok.

So, where to now? First off, thank you for your efforts to date. It's always a little confusing when you start out recording for a collection, where things are not just assigned and where you have to provide a lot of new info! I and our dedicated proof listener, Craig, understand that, and we're here to help.

Next, we need you to do two things:
1) Please provide a URL LINK to the actual book from which you read this selection.
2) Please keep looking at the MW to see if you need to make any corrections after your recording has been proof listened. You will note that Craig has asked for a correction to the reading from John Adams that you did previously. That is why your selection shows up in red in the MW.

Best wishes,

Sue, Book Coordinator

Thank you for your help. If I google History of Plymouth Plantation by William Bradford, Houghton Mifflin Company 1912, page 149, i get a copy of the actual book which it seems to me is the "primary source" from which you can read as you listen. I wonder if the Uniform Resource Locator would also get you to the actual Houghton book which should be sufficient proof of the stories 1912 origin. I can see that a url - like http://www.historyofplymouthplantationwilliambradford.com/index.html would get you to the Houghton book with one click which is faster than google. (this url is not correct because it is not showing up in blue) Maybe my question is : Where do I find the URL for this houghton book?

Next - Would you accept the national archive typed version of the hand written copy of Washington's first inaugural address? I expect the answer is yes - if I can find a url.

mlee

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Post by mlee » October 15th, 2017, 7:02 am

mlee wrote:
Sue Anderson wrote:
mlee wrote:Here is #2 History of Plymouth Plantation by William Bradford, Houghton Mifflin Company 1912, page 149.

https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf053_plymouthhistory_bradford_ml_128kb.mp3 7:45.5

1. Do I need to rework the intro and the ending.
2. Is the above footnote sufficient
3. There is more to the Chapter 9 but I choose to end it at "Their proper element."

I want to do this right just in case i find another great story - and there are legion.

mlee
Hi mlee, Thank you for this updated reading of the Mayflower story. You're right, it's certainly a great story!

To answer your questions, I'll start with your #3. Where you chose to end the reading is fine. You've chosen a dramatic moment, and that made a good ending.

Now, for your #2 (Is the above footnote sufficient). No, it isn't! What we need is a URL LINK to the actual source you read from. You say in your intro that you are reading from a book published in 1912 by Houghton Mifflin. We need a URL LINK to this particular book, so that we can proof listen from this source. This is also the source (eText) that will link your recording in the catalog. So, although I've entered your reading in the MW, it can't be proof listened to until we have that link!

For your question #1, the intro and outro are ok.

So, where to now? First off, thank you for your efforts to date. It's always a little confusing when you start out recording for a collection, where things are not just assigned and where you have to provide a lot of new info! I and our dedicated proof listener, Craig, understand that, and we're here to help.

Next, we need you to do two things:
1) Please provide a URL LINK to the actual book from which you read this selection.
2) Please keep looking at the MW to see if you need to make any corrections after your recording has been proof listened. You will note that Craig has asked for a correction to the reading from John Adams that you did previously. That is why your selection shows up in red in the MW.

Best wishes,

Sue, Book Coordinator

Thank you for your help. If I google History of Plymouth Plantation by William Bradford, Houghton Mifflin Company 1912, page 149, i get a copy of the actual book which it seems to me is the "primary source" from which you can read as you listen. I wonder if the Uniform Resource Locator would also get you to the actual Houghton book which should be sufficient proof of the stories 1912 origin. I can see that a url - like http://www.historyofplymouthplantationwilliambradford.com/index.html would get you to the Houghton book with one click which is faster than google. (this url is not correct because it is not showing up in blue) Maybe my question is : Where do I find the URL for this houghton book?

Next - Would you accept the national archive typed version of the hand written copy of Washington's first inaugural address? I expect the answer is yes - if I can find a url.

mlee




would this be the url for the houghton book?

mlee
https://archive.org/details/historyplymouth01socigoog

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Post by Sue Anderson » October 15th, 2017, 11:08 am

mlee wrote:
would this be the url for the houghton book?

https://archive.org/details/historyplymouth01socigoog
YES! And if you scroll to page 149, you can give a link directly to the passage that you read, like this:
https://archive.org/stream/historyplymouth01socigoog#page/n203/mode/1up

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The Voyage of the Mayflower is now ready for proof listening.

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Post by mlee » October 16th, 2017, 9:58 am

Here is revised works of john adams and declaration from the book by charles francis adams 1850

https://archive.org/details/worksofjohnadams02adamlibrivox.org.

I hope this url will work for you - i copied from the address line.

https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf053_worksadams_adams_ml_128kb.mp3 6:51

You will notice on the top of page 514 I jumped from the book to the Timothy Pickering letter (Writing…). Then at the bottom of the Pickering letter (If anything in it was) I jump back to the book on page 515 (The report was made). I hopethis works because the pickering letter contains more interesting and salient information

Of course I will revise under your direction
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Post by Sue Anderson » October 16th, 2017, 1:27 pm

mlee wrote:Here is revised works of john adams and declaration from the book by charles francis adams 1850

https://archive.org/details/worksofjohnadams02adamlibrivox.org.

I hope this url will work for you - i copied from the address line.

https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf053_worksadams_adams_ml_128kb.mp3 6:51

You will notice on the top of page 514 I jumped from the book to the Timothy Pickering letter (Writing…). Then at the bottom of the Pickering letter (If anything in it was) I jump back to the book on page 515 (The report was made). I hopethis works because the pickering letter contains more interesting and salient information

Of course I will revise under your direction
mlee
Hello mlee

I have listened to your new recording in its entirety. I will make a few comments. In this recording, you have correctly chosen to read from a public domain text. However, the URL you have listed for this text (https://archive.org/details/worksofjohnadams02adamlibrivox.org) did not lead me, at least, to the text. I fished out the URL which I previously provided to you, which I am giving here for the benefit of the DPL. As BC , I would be appreciative if all links intended for this thread were "tested" to be sure they "work" before posting.
https://archive.org/stream/worksofjohnadams02adam#page/512/mode/1up


The topic you chose to read about is quite interesting, particularly when John Adams speaks to what he would have said differently than Thomas Jefferson, had he been the one to compose the Declaration of Independence.

This leads me to my next comment: Sometimes, it is ok to leave out extraneous material, for instance a paragraph where the author goes completely off topic. But skipping material which has a bearing on the topic at hand is not a good idea. In worst case scenario, it can lead to skewing the interpretation of the material and as such is not acceptible for the nonfiction collection. In future, it is probably best to read a letter such as the one Adams wrote to Timothy Pickering in its entirety, rather than making a personal judgement about where to leave off.

As Book Coordinator, I am asking that you insert what you left out from this paragraph: "We reported [the Declaration] to the committee of five. It was read, and I do not remember that Franklin or Sherman criticized any thing. We were all in haste. Congress was impatient, and the instrument was reported, as I believe, in Jefferson's handwriting, as he first drew it. Congress cut off about a quarter of it, as I expected they would; but they obliterated some of the best of it, and left all that was exceptionable, if any thing in it was. [you left out the following:] I have long wondered that the original draught has not been published. I suppose the reason is, the vehement philippic against negro slavery."

If Craig has other corrections he sees needed after he has DPL'd, he will let you know.

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Post by mlee » October 16th, 2017, 6:40 pm

Sue Anderson wrote:
mlee wrote:Here is revised works of john adams and declaration from the book by charles francis adams 1850

https://archive.org/details/worksofjohnadams02adamlibrivox.org.

I hope this url will work for you - i copied from the address line.

https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf053_worksadams_adams_ml_128kb.mp3 6:51

You will notice on the top of page 514 I jumped from the book to the Timothy Pickering letter (Writing…). Then at the bottom of the Pickering letter (If anything in it was) I jump back to the book on page 515 (The report was made). I hopethis works because the pickering letter contains more interesting and salient information

Of course I will revise under your direction
mlee
Hello mlee

I have listened to your new recording in its entirety. I will make a few comments. In this recording, you have correctly chosen to read from a public domain text. However, the URL you have listed for this text (https://archive.org/details/worksofjohnadams02adamlibrivox.org) did not lead me, at least, to the text. I fished out the URL which I previously provided to you, which I am giving here for the benefit of the DPL. As BC , I would be appreciative if all links intended for this thread were "tested" to be sure they "work" before posting.
https://archive.org/stream/worksofjohnadams02adam#page/512/mode/1up


The topic you chose to read about is quite interesting, particularly when John Adams speaks to what he would have said differently than Thomas Jefferson, had he been the one to compose the Declaration of Independence.

This leads me to my next comment: Sometimes, it is ok to leave out extraneous material, for instance a paragraph where the author goes completely off topic. But skipping material which has a bearing on the topic at hand is not a good idea. In worst case scenario, it can lead to skewing the interpretation of the material and as such is not acceptible for the nonfiction collection. In future, it is probably best to read a letter such as the one Adams wrote to Timothy Pickering in its entirety, rather than making a personal judgement about where to leave off.

As Book Coordinator, I am asking that you insert what you left out from this paragraph: "We reported [the Declaration] to the committee of five. It was read, and I do not remember that Franklin or Sherman criticized any thing. We were all in haste. Congress was impatient, and the instrument was reported, as I believe, in Jefferson's handwriting, as he first drew it. Congress cut off about a quarter of it, as I expected they would; but they obliterated some of the best of it, and left all that was exceptionable, if any thing in it was. [you left out the following:] I have long wondered that the original draught has not been published. I suppose the reason is, the vehement philippic against negro slavery."

If Craig has other corrections he sees needed after he has DPL'd, he will let you know.

sorry about my url problems. i will insert the two sentences.

thanks to you and craig for your multiple efforts in coaching me.

i think you should delete my submission that has the red PL NOTES.

mlee

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Post by mlee » October 18th, 2017, 6:44 am

mlee wrote:
Sue Anderson wrote:
mlee wrote:Here is revised works of john adams and declaration from the book by charles francis adams 1850

https://archive.org/details/worksofjohnadams02adamlibrivox.org.

I hope this url will work for you - i copied from the address line.

https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf053_worksadams_adams_ml_128kb.mp3 6:51

You will notice on the top of page 514 I jumped from the book to the Timothy Pickering letter (Writing…). Then at the bottom of the Pickering letter (If anything in it was) I jump back to the book on page 515 (The report was made). I hopethis works because the pickering letter contains more interesting and salient information

Of course I will revise under your direction
mlee
Hello mlee

I have listened to your new recording in its entirety. I will make a few comments. In this recording, you have correctly chosen to read from a public domain text. However, the URL you have listed for this text (https://archive.org/details/worksofjohnadams02adamlibrivox.org) did not lead me, at least, to the text. I fished out the URL which I previously provided to you, which I am giving here for the benefit of the DPL. As BC , I would be appreciative if all links intended for this thread were "tested" to be sure they "work" before posting.
https://archive.org/stream/worksofjohnadams02adam#page/512/mode/1up


The topic you chose to read about is quite interesting, particularly when John Adams speaks to what he would have said differently than Thomas Jefferson, had he been the one to compose the Declaration of Independence.

This leads me to my next comment: Sometimes, it is ok to leave out extraneous material, for instance a paragraph where the author goes completely off topic. But skipping material which has a bearing on the topic at hand is not a good idea. In worst case scenario, it can lead to skewing the interpretation of the material and as such is not acceptible for the nonfiction collection. In future, it is probably best to read a letter such as the one Adams wrote to Timothy Pickering in its entirety, rather than making a personal judgement about where to leave off.

As Book Coordinator, I am asking that you insert what you left out from this paragraph: "We reported [the Declaration] to the committee of five. It was read, and I do not remember that Franklin or Sherman criticized any thing. We were all in haste. Congress was impatient, and the instrument was reported, as I believe, in Jefferson's handwriting, as he first drew it. Congress cut off about a quarter of it, as I expected they would; but they obliterated some of the best of it, and left all that was exceptionable, if any thing in it was. [you left out the following:] I have long wondered that the original draught has not been published. I suppose the reason is, the vehement philippic against negro slavery."

If Craig has other corrections he sees needed after he has DPL'd, he will let you know.

sorry about my url problems. i will insert the two sentences.

thanks to you and craig for your multiple efforts in coaching me.

i think you should delete my submission that has the red PL NOTES.

mlee


I agree with your counsel "But skipping material which has a bearing on the topic at hand is not a good idea. In worst case scenario, it can lead to skewing the interpretation of the material and as such is not acceptible for the nonfiction collection. " So lets delete this submission and I will see if I can resubmit in two different pieces - 1. the letter and 2. the book.

mlee

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Post by Sue Anderson » October 18th, 2017, 8:20 am

mlee wrote:
I agree with your counsel "But skipping material which has a bearing on the topic at hand is not a good idea. In worst case scenario, it can lead to skewing the interpretation of the material and as such is not acceptible for the nonfiction collection. " So lets delete this submission and I will see if I can resubmit in two different pieces - 1. the letter and 2. the book.

mlee
Your idea of separating the material sounds sensible.

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Post by Sue Anderson » October 18th, 2017, 10:54 am

https://librivox.org/uploads/knotyouraveragejo/snf053_nativebees_moisset_sa_128kb.mp3

"Native Bees," a selection from Bee Basics: An Introduction to Our Native Bees, pages 13-29,

by Beatriz Moisset and Stephen Buchmann,

published by the United States Department of Agriculture: Forest Service

https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5306468.pdf

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Post by soupy » October 18th, 2017, 2:18 pm

Hello mlee

I listened to History of Plymouth Plantation and everything is very well read and easily understandable. The only change I would have you make is at the beginning and end.

Change History of Plymouth Plantation to The Voyage of the Mayflower

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Post by soupy » October 18th, 2017, 2:47 pm

Thanks for the story of bees in North American Sue. Very interesting. PLOK :thumbs:

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Post by ColleenMc » October 20th, 2017, 8:02 am

I have recently discovered the "free to view" archives of NYT where selected articles from early years are available as PDFs. Am I correct in assuming these are all PD to read for these NF collections? If so I plan to read an article from December of 1851 from the Times about a fire in the Bowery (first year of Times publication!) and hope to do more articles for future editions.

Are pre-1922 magazines also considered PD across the board? Thanks!

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