The Polity of the Lacedaemonians [Spartans] talks about the laws and institutions created by Lycurgus, which train and develop Spartan citizens from birth to old age. It only because of Xenophon that we have most of our knowledge about the Spartans. Xenophon the Athenian was born 431 B.C. He was a pupil of Socrates. He marched with the Spartans, and was exiled from Athens. Sparta gave him land and property in Scillus, where he lived for many years before having to move once more, to settle in Corinth. He died in 354 B.C.. ( The introduction and Phil chenevert)
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That would be wonderful Philip. Another fun and frolicsome book, eh? I Won't be including the translator's footnotes but if you read along, you might find them interesting. Translators have a tough job.
Philip. Section 1 is in the Magic Window. In this one, The Polity of the Athenians, Xenophon rips the Athenians democracy from one end to the other. What a wonderful piece of sarcasm. Actually, much of this is applicable to current US , hmmmmm.
There may be small discrepancies in the file name; just ignore that. I will keep them consistent .. hopefully. also, I have decided to follow the internal divisions as Part one, part two, etc.
sound quality not great but other than that, let me know if anything is wrong and I will fix it. Can't fix my voice!
You are off to a great start. Section 1 is PL-Ok! Interesting look at democratic fundamentals.
(Programming note: I will likely be away from the boards Oct 21-23. Going to NW AR to eulogize the first client I had in the days when I practiced law.)
1. At 8:54 I heard "dieting" : I expected "extra dieting"
2. At 20 41 I heard "dissolve" I expected devolve.
(caught #1 by accident--just happened to be looking directly at the page as it went through.)
Another interesting discussion--but it looks as if Xenophon is caught in the same "trap" as most of the ancient Greeks (Sparta v. Athens). Granted that they were the two dichotomous city/states in Greece; but they and their allies fought each other and ground each other to a pulp such that the Greek Thebans and later the Macedonians achieved hegemony--to the eventual destruction of Greek culture. Difficult to choose between the two with that outcome.
Oh yes! They definitely ground each other up. and then along came Philip from up North to pick up the pieces, eh? I just listened to a great series of lectures about Greek culture during this period during and after defeat ing the Persians (?) and how they spread all around the Mediterranean. I learned a lot as always because my ignorance is great here. This is one of the Great Courses series. Another was on Alexander.
Section 3 is in the MW and I have repaired the goofs in section 2 and uploaded it, reqady for spot check. Thanks for catching those.
DrPGould wrote:Phil:
At 9:27 I heard "public living" where I expected "noble living"
That's the only thing....well done.
I enjoyed listening to this project, and as always, it is a privilege to work with you.
Philip
Right! I fixed that slip at 9:27 and have uploaded it again so if you wish, you may check it out or if you prefer, I can check it myself.
always a pleasure to work with you to Philip.
As a side note, I have an unofficial 'hard to read' scale that I unconsciously apply to things as I go through them and this one was surprisingly difficult, say a 7 on a 1-10 scale. The translator made some difficult phrasing that took me aback and made me say 'huh?' frequently an then have to go back and reread an entire section with differnt inflection. Chesterton is another hard read for me, his ideas are so hard to phrase correctly to get their sense I think. Poe is also to get right. Whereas Mark Twain is smooth as silk as is Robert Howard; both a joy. I know you never asked about this but was just thinking about it since my next story will be a Conan the Barbarian story by Howard. No extra charge for that unsolicited info!
No problem at all Philip. I must say, this has been a most enlightening read for me. I learned a lot. Now i am looking for more things that Xenophon wrote to see what else I have missed in my education. Much gratitude. Oh, what are you reading these days if you don't mind me asking?
Interesting look at democratic fundamentals.
Much gratitude. Oh, what are you reading these days if you don't mind me asking?