COMPLETE: Hindenburg Accident Report - choc

Post by **chocoholic** » April 21st, 2017, 6:51 pm

Thanks! I'll let you know.

By the way, I assume you wrote the summary yourself, right? (I credited it to you on the catalog page.)

zeppelfahrt · Post by **zeppelfahrt** » April 21st, 2017, 7:05 pm

Yes, I wrote it myself.

zeppelfahrt · Post by **zeppelfahrt** » April 21st, 2017, 7:37 pm

How about this one?
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hindenburg_disaster_(1).jpg

It might make things easier.

Post by **chocoholic** » April 21st, 2017, 8:28 pm

What a photo! Unfortunately, the Smithsonian page it came from links to a Permissions Request page, which looks very much like it is not public domain. Apparently not everything they have is PD despite being a government organization (I think whoever uploaded that photo to Wikimedia Commons and called it PD was in error). I've looked around a little and I'm having trouble verifying that any of the photos of the Hindenburg burning are really PD in the US (as opposed to in other countries). Anyone uploading to Wikimedia Commons can say anything they like about copyright, so you sometimes have to look at the source.

Let's see what the other admins say -- I'm hoping I'm wrong.

zeppelfahrt · Post by **zeppelfahrt** » April 21st, 2017, 8:37 pm

Well, if it works, here is the next version:
https://librivox.org/uploads/chocoholic/hindenburg_1704.zip
Keeping my fingers crossed.

Post by **chocoholic** » April 21st, 2017, 8:45 pm

I found an honest-to-goodness PD one (as best as I can tell):

https://www.archives.gov/exhibits/eyewitness/assets/html/html-zoom.php?image=5.2&keepThis=true&
Catalog record at the National Archives: https://catalog.archives.gov/id/5814586

In their FAQ they ask that you credit the National Archives and Records Administration as the image source (if you decide to use this one) but they do say their images are PD unless they specify otherwise.

Or you can wait and see what the other admins say about the other one. No hurry, I'm off to bed and will be away from the computer for most of tomorrow.

zeppelfahrt · Post by **zeppelfahrt** » April 22nd, 2017, 8:57 am

Wow, what an education this has been. I genuinely thought that this were PD, but now I see that that's may not be the case. Here is another option I I was thinking of. I found this USAF video of the crash on the same page you found the PD picture: https://catalog.archives.gov/id/64668 Could I take a screen shot of one frame and use that? I'll get a sample to you shortly. Thanks for bearing with me on this.

Here are two samples from this video:
https://librivox.org/uploads/chocoholic/H3.zip
https://librivox.org/uploads/chocoholic/Picture3.zip

Again, thanks for your help and patience.

Post by **chocoholic** » April 22nd, 2017, 11:32 am

As far as I can tell, those are fine to use too! That video is chilling.

I haven't gotten any other admin opinions about the copyright status of the image on Wikimedia Commons, though someone did find a link to the image on your original cover (no copyright info on it). No opinions means that either 1) they're all in Aruba at the annual Librivox Admin Retreat and didn't tell me, 2) everybody is marching for science, or 3) nobody else can tell if the image is PD either.

Thanks for being flexible on this! The chances of anybody complaining about one of the other images (or asking us to take the cover down) are probably remote, but I'm happier using one of the definitely PD ones.

zeppelfahrt · Post by **zeppelfahrt** » April 22nd, 2017, 4:37 pm

Here you go!

https://librivox.org/uploads/chocoholic/hindenburg_1704.zip

The image can be found between 6:30 and 6:33 on the video. I have also cited the USAF source on the cover summary.

Thanks for hanging in there with me

Post by **chocoholic** » April 22nd, 2017, 4:50 pm

Added, thank you!

zeppelfahrt · Post by **zeppelfahrt** » April 23rd, 2017, 4:39 am

Thanks Laurie Anne, thanks Dave. Until next time