COMPLETE: Manfred by Lord Byron- alg

wildemoose · Post by **wildemoose** » April 11th, 2012, 2:16 pm

That may well be, and we can take a look at it. However the policy's now been explained to you by several people. You're more than welcome to do a version with sound effects and upload it to IA yourself, but we can't accept it for Librivox.

Post by **alg1001** » April 11th, 2012, 5:39 pm

Hi Everyone,

I figured we were just talking about reader created sound effects so it would be okay. Thanks to you all for pointing out the official stance on it; that it would be best to just steer clear of them altogether.

Sorry for the confusion on my part, Tim. We better have no sound effects and play it safe.

-Amy

TimSC · Post by **TimSC** » April 12th, 2012, 1:08 am

Woah, hang on a second. People keep saying SOME sound effects effects are allowed:

"I'm okay with a knock on the table which is obviously generated by the reader when the script calls for a knock at the door, but anything more than that makes me nervous." -- wildemoose
"We do allow SOME sound effects where the script specifically calls for them (a knock, a dog bark, etc.), but not ambiance sounds." -- TriciaG
"I now hear you think: but knocking is allowed. [...] I’ll have to accept that" -- bart

And this is all I said as my plan: "I guess my current plan is to continue with sound effects but be extremely cautious of their providence and PD verifiability..." which strictly speaking that is in agreement with what you have said.

Now, some are saying or strongly implying that no sound effects are not allowed at all. I need a practical guideline that I can actually apply to Manfred. Can you either come to a consensus as to what is allowed or we can discuss every minutiae on the forum (which is clearly not practical). When I stated my plan, the only thing I said I would do was to use sound effects and people are reading too much into what I said. We are in agreement they are allowed but the question now is to what extent are they allowed. As well as these points of discussion, I also will continue to question librivox policy. That doesn't necessarily mean that I won't eventually abide by it. Last time I checked, debate was not a punishable offence.

Yes, I mentioned the possibility of using a broader range of effects and I acknowledge that this is discouraged. I didn't say I was definitely going to do that and I feel threats to not catalogue the work or suggesting I might resign as slightly over reacting. I am not particularly fussed about Librivox's sound effects policy. I am quite annoyed that the policies are not clear. This is not the first time I have encountered this issue. I was reading Neitzsche's Joyful Wisdom and my published and PD copy had substituted the title for the modern title translation of Gay Science. As you can imagine I was told to use the Gutenberg copy. I asked for where the librivox policy was documented and it is the same : "because the admins said so". This has since been rectified but librivox policy should be properly documented to prevent this kind of misunderstanding.

Tim

PS: Just to make the discussion slightly more relevant, forget the knocking on the door and discuss the "The Shepherd's pipe in the distance is heard." That might get me going in the right direction.

wildemoose · Post by **wildemoose** » April 12th, 2012, 4:35 am

"The Shepherd's pipe in the distance is heard" is not allowed. There are projects which are exceptions to our no sound effects/no music policy, however, this is not one of them. No sound effects in Manfred, please.

TimSC · Post by **TimSC** » April 12th, 2012, 5:42 am

wildemoose,

That doesn't appear to be consistent with what TriciaG has said.

Tim

wildemoose · Post by **wildemoose** » April 12th, 2012, 5:56 am

We have had a discussion in the admin forum and have come to a consensus. This is the final word on the matter.

Post by **TriciaG** » April 12th, 2012, 7:35 am

I apologize for adding to the confusion. No pipes, please.

catrose · Post by **catrose** » April 15th, 2012, 9:13 am

Can I be the 6th Spirit please?

TimSC · Post by **TimSC** » April 15th, 2012, 9:56 pm

CatRose, I have assigned the part to you. Please read the solo lines for the part, as well as the chorus sections at the same speed as the sound files I linked to in my 25th March forum post.

Unfortunately that will probably be my last action as BC. After some behind the scenes discussion and reflection, I have decided to resign as BC and editor. This is mainly in protest of admin actions, including all four admins stating at some point that at least some sound effects were acceptable (with Bart even mentioning that the "majority here" think some effects are OK) and then the admins coming to a consensus in private that sound effects are not acceptable.

I will still continue as a reader. If there are any corrections for PL, let me know. Thanks to the readers that have completed their sections, and thanks to my MC, Amy (alg1001), who has been supportive through this process.

Tim

Post by **alg1001** » April 16th, 2012, 5:30 am

I am sorry that you are resigning as BC, Tim. I will watch the project.

If anyone has interest in book coordinating this please let me know!

catrose · Post by **catrose** » April 16th, 2012, 6:25 am

Done! In order to get the spirit's hymn (?) and the other part where we all speak together, I had to record the voice of 2nd spirit and talk along. Listen if you don't understand this!
http://upload.librivox.org/share/uploads/alg/manfred_sixspririt.mp3

Post by **alg1001** » April 16th, 2012, 10:05 am

Hi CatRose,

I listened to see what you meant. I think will work just fine.

Thank you for your part!
-Amy

gloriana · Post by **gloriana** » April 24th, 2012, 2:46 pm

Amy, I can BC and edit this project. I've tidied up the MW a bit to make it clearer which parts are complete and which are pending.

Post by **alg1001** » April 24th, 2012, 7:24 pm

Hi Elizabeth,

That is awesome!

Thank you so much!

-Amy

gloriana · Post by **gloriana** » April 25th, 2012, 7:02 am

Narrator, Seventh Spirit and Spirit in Act 3 are all recorded; I'm not going to upload them, though - but rather keep them in Audacity for editing purposes.