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Post by NightOwl » July 6th, 2008, 11:45 pm

An Introduction to the Principles of Morals and Legislation by Jeremy Bentham.

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Bentham's ambition in life was to create a "Pannomion", a complete Utilitarian code of law. Bentham not only proposed many legal and social reforms, but also expounded an underlying moral principle on which they should be based. This philosophy, utilitarianism, argued that the right act or policy was that which would cause "the greatest happiness of the greatest number" — a phrase of which he is generally, though erroneously, regarded as the author — though he later dropped the second qualification and embraced what he called "the greatest happiness principle," often referred to as the principle of utility. (Summary by wikipedia)
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    [*]Number of sections (files) this project will have: 18 (19 with preface, but not sure whether it is PD material)
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    [*]Link to author on Wikipedia (if available): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Bentham
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    [*]Date of first publication: 1789
    [*]Year of author's death (note: in some countries copyright is death of author plus 50 or 70 years) 1832
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Post by NightOwl » July 7th, 2008, 1:14 am

Need Help!

I have a problem about the footnotes though. Can anyone help me clear the confusion about footnote-reading? Should the reader reads footnote like in this book link: http://www.constitution.org/jb/pml.htm
(the footnote number was assigned in between the text and were annexed to each chapter, such as in chapter 1: http://www.constitution.org/jb/pml_01.htm)

And how do people read footnote like this example:
....subject to it all the while. The principle of utility[1] recognizes this subjection, and assumes it for the foundation of that system, ....
Do they read like:
....subject to it all the while. The principle of utility [footnote 1] recognizes this subjection, and assumes it for the foundation of that system, ....

Or should the reader reads footnotes lumped together as the last chapter like in the wikisourse?
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/An_Introduction_to_the_Principles_of_Morals_and_Legislation


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Post by Cori » July 7th, 2008, 1:24 am

For short (one word/sentence) footnotes, I'd read them right after the line referenced. In this case, though ... I think I'd be very tempted to leave them out entirely, and note in the catalogue-page summary that there are supplemental notes to the text. It would derail the train of the argument to read them where they're found in the text ... but I'm not sure they'd make enough sense referenced in a final file at the end of the book.
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Post by NightOwl » July 7th, 2008, 4:17 am

Thank you for your prompt suggestion, Cori.

I think maybe I could ask the readers to leave all the footnotes out, if I am entitled to make that choice, because the footnotes won't help the listeners to comprehend the argument in the text (it only succeeded in distracting my attention from the argument when listening to it, but would help me in some way if I'm reading the text instead of listening to it.)

I've tried to read several sections and recorded those chapters just to see whether it is workable, but I would like to wait for others to claim those sections. I'm not confident enough to claim them myself.

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Post by Jc » July 7th, 2008, 5:54 am

I'll MC if nobody else has claimed this. :D
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Post by NightOwl » July 7th, 2008, 6:13 am

Thanks for MC-ing this project, Jc.

I'm still not sure about the preface (wikisource doesn't have a preface, but many other sources has the same preface). I think it was written by the author (in 1823) and he died more than 100 years ago, so it should be PD material.

Another thing is that wikisource put all the footnotes in the last section, while other sources put each set of footnotes in the associated chapters. Do you agree that we just ignore all the footnotes?

If we put the preface in and leave the footnotes section out, then we will still have 18 sections.

What do you think?

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Post by Jc » July 7th, 2008, 6:56 am

Preface is PD, it's included in this edition of the book, published in 1823: http://books.google.ca/books?id=ZWcAAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=jeremy+bentham&as_brr=1&hl=en

We could ignore the footnotes. That's what I ended up doing for my Blackstone project; the footnotes were driving me mad.

However, from what I see, the footnotes seem reasonably readable. If you decide to keep them, I think it would be better if they were read after the sentence or the paragraph.
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Post by Jc » July 7th, 2008, 7:51 am

BTW: have you decided which link to use?
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Post by NightOwl » July 7th, 2008, 9:16 am

I like the format of webpage and citations of the following link:
http://www.constitution.org/jb/pml.htm

But if we keep the footnote, do we ask the readers to read like:
....He means certain axioms[2] of what may be termed mental pathology, expressive of the connection betwixt the feelings of the parties concerned, and the several classes of incidents, which either call for, or are produced by, operations of the nature above mentioned.
read:
He means certain axioms[ footnote 2] of what may be termed mental pathology, expressive of the connection betwixt the feelings of the parties concerned, and the several classes of incidents, which either call for, or are produced by, operations of the nature above mentioned.

footnote 2. For example. — It is worse to lose than simply not to gain. — A loss falls the lighter by being divided. — The suffering of a person hurt in gratification of enmity, is greater than the gratification produced lay the same cause. — These, and a few others which he will have occasion to exhibit at the head of another publication, have the same claim to the appellation of axioms as those given by mathematicians under that name; since, referring to universal experience as their immediate basis, they are incapable of demonstration, and require only to be developed and illustrated in order to be recognized as incontestable.

Then read the next paragraph?

How about the one-sentence footnote, like (in the preface):
occupies no fewer than one hundred and four closely printed quarto pages,[3] the ten concluding ones are employed in a statement of the practical advantages that may be reaped from the plan of classification which it exhibits. Those in whose sight the Defence of Usury has been fortunate enough to find favour, may reckon as one instance of those advantages the discovery of the principles developed in that little treatise. In the preface to an anonymous tract[4] published so long ago as in 1776,

Edit: Just notice that chapter 10 and 16 are quite big, do you think they should be separated into several sections?

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Post by Jc » July 7th, 2008, 9:38 am

Anything sensible would work. Personally, I would rather read:

"He means certain axioms of what may be termed mental pathology, expressive of the connection betwixt the feelings of the parties concerned, and the several classes of incidents, which either call for, or are produced by, operations of the nature above mentioned. [ footnote ] [read footnote] "
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Post by Jc » July 7th, 2008, 5:36 pm

for the big chapters, the readers can separate them themselves. You don't have to worry too much about it.

BTW, I've changed the file names, putting underscores so it'll be easier to read.
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Post by NightOwl » July 10th, 2008, 8:51 pm

I'll read the preface, but how do you read "&c" in footnote 4?
4. A Fragment on Government, &c., reprinted 1822.
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Post by Starlite » July 11th, 2008, 3:20 am

NightOwl wrote:I'll read the preface, but how do you read "&c" in footnote 4?
4. A Fragment on Government, &c., reprinted 1822.
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"&c" = etcetera :)

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Post by NightOwl » July 11th, 2008, 4:14 am

Starlite wrote: "&c" = etcetera :)
Thanks!


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Post by Starlite » July 11th, 2008, 6:28 am

NightOwl wrote:
Starlite wrote: "&c" = etcetera :)
Thanks!


My PCs are breathing out hot air that makes the room unbearable in this humid season of the year! And I can use the H2 to record in the coolest room away from the PCs. :D

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Isn't the H2 wonderful!!! :9:
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