[COMPLETE] Thus Spake Zarathustra by Fr. Nietzsche - cm
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If you're still looking for a reader for Part IV, I think I've gotten myself out from under a sufficient amount of waiting work that I can commit to it.
Sounds good. No news from Seth, so I'd say let's go for it! I'll move this to Readers Found and will sign D.E. up for part 4.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination circles the world." Albert Einstein
OK I've moved this project to Readers Found now and sent PMs to all readers. I hope we can get it done this time; it's had several starts already.
Since Seth hasn't been around of late, I'll BC this. Let's try for a target completion date of 31 May, is that okay? We can always extend if we have to.
Seth, if you see this - are you still planning to read your sections?
All others - see first post for file names and file transfer formalities. Any questions, let me know.
Would be great to see more files trickling in!
Since Seth hasn't been around of late, I'll BC this. Let's try for a target completion date of 31 May, is that okay? We can always extend if we have to.
Seth, if you see this - are you still planning to read your sections?
All others - see first post for file names and file transfer formalities. Any questions, let me know.
Would be great to see more files trickling in!
"Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination circles the world." Albert Einstein
Oh, hell, how many times has it been attempted before? Now I'm a little worried. Fortunately it's not all that long, and the short sections make for easy recording when one just has an hour or two to spare.OK I've moved this project to Readers Found now and sent PMs to all readers. I hope we can get it done this time; it's had several starts already.
Sorry I've not been active on this lately. Been sick a couple of weeks and didn't want to compromise my health.
I'm uploading chapters 30 and 31 right now for the second time. Not too good at remembering to enter in the password. It only tells you after waiting several minutes for the upload that it was the wrong one ... would be a dubious honor indeed to shake the hand of the individual who thought to do it that way! Not to say that it's not wonderful that someone put the effort in to create such a useful tool, but it does seem that a few common-sense improvements are in order.
Ah, it says it failed again because of the too-long filename bug which the silly thing gives duplicate files by itself. Well, it probably went through anyway.
Don't be worried. It'll get done eventually, and carrying on with recording the odd section, as you do, is the best way forward!Dugwyler wrote:Oh, hell, how many times has it been attempted before? Now I'm a little worried. Fortunately it's not all that long, and the short sections make for easy recording when one just has an hour or two to spare.OK I've moved this project to Readers Found now and sent PMs to all readers. I hope we can get it done this time; it's had several starts already.
Sorry I've not been active on this lately. Been sick a couple of weeks and didn't want to compromise my health.
I'm uploading chapters 30 and 31 right now for the second time. Not too good at remembering to enter in the password. It only tells you after waiting several minutes for the upload that it was the wrong one ... would be a dubious honor indeed to shake the hand of the individual who thought to do it that way! Not to say that it's not wonderful that someone put the effort in to create such a useful tool, but it does seem that a few common-sense improvements are in order.
Ah, it says it failed again because of the too-long filename bug which the silly thing gives duplicate files by itself. Well, it probably went through anyway.
Agree about the Uploader - it's seriously lacking in some sensible features. However, it was free... haven't found anything better yet. If you know anything, let me know.
Yes, got both files!
"Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination circles the world." Albert Einstein
Here are 32, 33 and 34.
Tried librivox.gesine.org, but for some reason it was taking a very long time for the page to load, so I used yousendit instead.
http://www.yousendit.com/download/M3BuTmZUaytsamMwTVE9PQ
Sorry it's been a while since the last. I've been changing jobs.
I feel a bit lonely here! Drom, d.e., anything new?
Tried librivox.gesine.org, but for some reason it was taking a very long time for the page to load, so I used yousendit instead.
http://www.yousendit.com/download/M3BuTmZUaytsamMwTVE9PQ
Sorry it's been a while since the last. I've been changing jobs.
I feel a bit lonely here! Drom, d.e., anything new?
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I'm a little frustrated. The computer I've been using to record was fried by an evil wizard (or "power surge" as some like to call it.)
Simply rerecording wouldn't be that big a deal, but the sound card is dead, and the one in this computer is very poor. Though, it might not be too bad if I position the mike well and use a noise remover. I'll try chapter 45 again and see how it goes.
Simply rerecording wouldn't be that big a deal, but the sound card is dead, and the one in this computer is very poor. Though, it might not be too bad if I position the mike well and use a noise remover. I'll try chapter 45 again and see how it goes.
So sorry. What a pain. I recommend a USB mic or headset - the good thing about using USB is that it circumvents the computer's soundcard, thus cutting down on noise.Dromiceius wrote:I'm a little frustrated. The computer I've been using to record was fried by an evil wizard (or "power surge" as some like to call it.)
Simply rerecording wouldn't be that big a deal, but the sound card is dead, and the one in this computer is very poor. Though, it might not be too bad if I position the mike well and use a noise remover. I'll try chapter 45 again and see how it goes.
I'll contact the other readers to see how they're doing, and I'm uploading your file - sorry but my Uploader is broken right now.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination circles the world." Albert Einstein
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All right, I'll get started on this. I've uploaded 61-3:
http://librivox.earthcallingdavid.com/cgi-bin/uploader//upload.cgi
This text is great fun to record.
http://librivox.earthcallingdavid.com/cgi-bin/uploader//upload.cgi
This text is great fun to record.
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Got 'em, d.e., and links added.
David
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Amazingly so!This text is great fun to record.
It's also more accessible reading it this way. I think I finally, fully understand (after a year and a half or so) what is meant by the Will to Power, or at least in the only sense that I feel I can understand, by reinterpretation through my empirical dataset: the Will to Power appears to me to be, rather than its replacement, a direct opponent to the Will to Life. Each exists in all persons to a larger or smaller degree, rather than one or the other being the "true" will of a living thing. Some, for example, seem to live largely protecting themselves, from fear of the degradation of life or its utter end, following a sort of will to life and preserving that life at the cost of a certain brand of freedom. Others, generally derelict from society (as they should be) are bored by life without risk, gamble fortunes and often losing. Seeking a feeling of intense freedom, a natural increasing of power and ability, always self-surpassing, they are willing to be cut from time to time in order to experience that power.
Of course it's just a synthesis of the two ideas, as is the customary form of evolution in philosophy (surely, no truly new ideas!), as on reflection, both appear equally valid. In each person you can find a war, sometimes one-sided, between the pessimistic, life-denying Schopenhauerian will-to-life and the optimistic, life-affirming will-to-power. ("Life" used more in the a sense of health and vitality than ability to live, to simply exist: I mean to say that the more we seem life-preserving, the less we seem capable of truly "living.")
Ges or EC, did you get the YouSendIt link? In case not, here it is:
http://www.yousendit.com/download/M3BuTmZUaytsamMwTVE9PQ
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Well, I don't know that that's how I'd characterize the will to power, but it's certainly not too bad of a characterization. I'd say 'good enough for government work' but this would paint the government in a strange light. But, I suppose, I am a state employee. Hm.
Be careful, though. Freedom for its own sake is nihilism (confer: Max Stirner); the point is one's own work. Sayeth the tightrope-walker, "'I am not much more than an animal which has been taught to dance by blows and starvation.' 'Not so,' said Zarathustra. 'You have made danger your calling, there is nothing in that to despise. Now you perish through your calling: so I will bury you with my own hands.'"
If you'd like, I have a recording of a grad. seminar session on Heidegger's reading of Zarathustra in his What is Called Thinking?. Not sure how much sense it would make out of context, but you're welcome to check it out if you'd like.
Oh, also: the picture of the Schopenhauerian view of the will to live is painted quite nicely in chapter 4 (Immortality: a Dialog) of his "Studies in Pessimism," which I recorded not long ago.
Be careful, though. Freedom for its own sake is nihilism (confer: Max Stirner); the point is one's own work. Sayeth the tightrope-walker, "'I am not much more than an animal which has been taught to dance by blows and starvation.' 'Not so,' said Zarathustra. 'You have made danger your calling, there is nothing in that to despise. Now you perish through your calling: so I will bury you with my own hands.'"
If you'd like, I have a recording of a grad. seminar session on Heidegger's reading of Zarathustra in his What is Called Thinking?. Not sure how much sense it would make out of context, but you're welcome to check it out if you'd like.
Oh, also: the picture of the Schopenhauerian view of the will to live is painted quite nicely in chapter 4 (Immortality: a Dialog) of his "Studies in Pessimism," which I recorded not long ago.
Sorry sorry, yes, but forgot to update the list; will do now. My Uploader is broken, would you mind using David's for now - I'll post details in the first post. Thanks!Dugwyler wrote:Ges or EC, did you get the YouSendIt link? In case not, here it is:
http://www.yousendit.com/download/M3BuTmZUaytsamMwTVE9PQ
David, as always thanks for your help.
Glad to see some more files, thank you, D.E.! I'll PM Seth and Drom shortly to see what's up.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination circles the world." Albert Einstein
I very much enjoyed your chapter reading of Schopenhauer. The rest of Studies in Pessimism is now on my listening list.
At times his words seem almost absurdly comical in their commitment to an utterly truthful and logical rendering of the world. Given his particular method of observation -- essentially, no courting or dressing of the bare concepts -- I can't see any other, more valid depiction. It's a view for which I have great respect (as it is in a technical sense correct), but like almost all people choose to ignore, generally out of a willingness to self-delude for the sake of coping with a confusing existence. The construction of Schopenhauer's world seems to be from a series of apparently true axioms, none of which hold innate meaning ... for example, the existence of self-conscious life, and a Universe that is most likely completely ambivalent (rather, even incapable of being ambivalent) of that existence.
Considering this, I wonder whether or not meaning can still be derived from an apparent meaningless. I've come to believe that the concept of "innate meaning" is oxymoronic in the extreme. It appears to me that the only form of existence that requires it, the self-conscious, is also the only thing capable of creating it -- and also extinguishing it or negating it altogether, if ideas of "reason" or "truth" are taken too seriously (i.e., believed to such a degree that the quite contradictory human truth, which is that "meaning" always exists, is entirely neglected).
To the idea of freedom for its own sake being nihilism, I'd agree that it would lead to probably what could be called this. But I'm not sure I believe in the concept of nihilism outside of what one might call a philosophical laboratory, being that the most extreme skeptics do hold strong beliefs (regardless what they may say) but are at a loss to justify them; or, I am a nihilist because I'm unsure of a way to be ethical without acknowledging one's own view as somehow more valid than that of others. It would be interesting to read a proof of some kind incontrovertibly showing that all individuals who have attempted to logically observe the Universe to its most fundamentally basic principles are not actually nihilists -- nor merely dancing above it with crafty wordplay, as perhaps is the case with Sartre's responsibility?
I'm also very interested to hear how you would define the Will to Power. Being entirely an amateur in this realm and having very little guidance, it's been difficult to find my way (though out of some fear, I suppose, as that way it remains mine). The Heidegger reading also sounds quite worthwhile, and I'd love to have the opportunity to hear it.
At times his words seem almost absurdly comical in their commitment to an utterly truthful and logical rendering of the world. Given his particular method of observation -- essentially, no courting or dressing of the bare concepts -- I can't see any other, more valid depiction. It's a view for which I have great respect (as it is in a technical sense correct), but like almost all people choose to ignore, generally out of a willingness to self-delude for the sake of coping with a confusing existence. The construction of Schopenhauer's world seems to be from a series of apparently true axioms, none of which hold innate meaning ... for example, the existence of self-conscious life, and a Universe that is most likely completely ambivalent (rather, even incapable of being ambivalent) of that existence.
Considering this, I wonder whether or not meaning can still be derived from an apparent meaningless. I've come to believe that the concept of "innate meaning" is oxymoronic in the extreme. It appears to me that the only form of existence that requires it, the self-conscious, is also the only thing capable of creating it -- and also extinguishing it or negating it altogether, if ideas of "reason" or "truth" are taken too seriously (i.e., believed to such a degree that the quite contradictory human truth, which is that "meaning" always exists, is entirely neglected).
To the idea of freedom for its own sake being nihilism, I'd agree that it would lead to probably what could be called this. But I'm not sure I believe in the concept of nihilism outside of what one might call a philosophical laboratory, being that the most extreme skeptics do hold strong beliefs (regardless what they may say) but are at a loss to justify them; or, I am a nihilist because I'm unsure of a way to be ethical without acknowledging one's own view as somehow more valid than that of others. It would be interesting to read a proof of some kind incontrovertibly showing that all individuals who have attempted to logically observe the Universe to its most fundamentally basic principles are not actually nihilists -- nor merely dancing above it with crafty wordplay, as perhaps is the case with Sartre's responsibility?
I'm also very interested to hear how you would define the Will to Power. Being entirely an amateur in this realm and having very little guidance, it's been difficult to find my way (though out of some fear, I suppose, as that way it remains mine). The Heidegger reading also sounds quite worthwhile, and I'd love to have the opportunity to hear it.
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Gesine: I'm afraid my sections will have to be reassigned. I can't get the hardware to cooperate.