[NOT PD US] Is The Shadow Over Innsmouth Public Domain?

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Post by FlamboyantOtter » July 14th, 2019, 4:15 pm

Is The Shadow Over Innsmouth, by H.P Lovecraft, public domain?

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Post by KevinS » July 14th, 2019, 4:19 pm

FlamboyantOtter wrote:
July 14th, 2019, 4:15 pm
Is The Shadow Over Innsmouth, by H.P Lovecraft, public domain?
Not for the purpose of LibriVox. I'm afraid not.
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Post by FlamboyantOtter » July 14th, 2019, 4:20 pm

KevinS wrote:
July 14th, 2019, 4:19 pm
FlamboyantOtter wrote:
July 14th, 2019, 4:15 pm
Is The Shadow Over Innsmouth, by H.P Lovecraft, public domain?
Not for the purpose of LivriVox. I'm afraid not.
Thanks. Is it PD in Canada? Just wondering. (Not Librivox related)

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Post by annise » July 14th, 2019, 4:25 pm

Canada has PD rules based on death dates, they become PD 50 years after the author dies, he died in 1937. so yes it is but that doesn't help us all

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Post by TriciaG » July 14th, 2019, 4:28 pm

If you are in Canada, you could record non-PD-US works for legamus.eu. They do works that aren't PD-US but are PD-EU (which is a life+70 entity, so if it's PD-EU, it's PD-CA).

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Post by KevinS » July 14th, 2019, 4:30 pm

FlamboyantOtter wrote:
July 14th, 2019, 4:20 pm
KevinS wrote:
July 14th, 2019, 4:19 pm
FlamboyantOtter wrote:
July 14th, 2019, 4:15 pm
Is The Shadow Over Innsmouth, by H.P Lovecraft, public domain?
Not for the purpose of LivriVox. I'm afraid not.
Thanks. Is it PD in Canada? Just wondering. (Not Librivox related)
I assume so, but I'm no lawyer. I think you're safe with life plus 70 years, but even then there are exceptions.
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Post by KevinS » July 14th, 2019, 5:03 pm

I mean to say 'LibriVox'.

Oh my.
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Post by prosfilaes » July 14th, 2019, 10:14 pm

I'm not going to say that Librivox will accept it, but it was published in the US in 1936, and there's no copyright renewal for it, so it should be PD US.

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Post by annise » July 14th, 2019, 10:25 pm

Lovecroft is a very contentious issue - and his estate quite strong, If PG says it is public domain we will accept it because they do have a legal team, but all the other sites no. We don't, in fact, accept anyone's statements about PD because they were not renewed, except Haithi and PG
I'm fairly confident if its status was clear that it would be available at Project Gutenberg _The USA one not Australia or Canada or any other country.

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Post by prosfilaes » July 15th, 2019, 12:23 am

annise wrote:
July 14th, 2019, 10:25 pm
I'm fairly confident if its status was clear that it would be available at Project Gutenberg
It's the only book printing of Lovecraft in his life, and Abebooks has the book's dust jacket for $385, and the book for $1,750. I think Project Gutenberg not having it says more about the book's rarity and cost than it's public domain status.

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Post by TriciaG » July 15th, 2019, 6:03 am

prosfilaes wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 12:23 am
annise wrote:
July 14th, 2019, 10:25 pm
I'm fairly confident if its status was clear that it would be available at Project Gutenberg
It's the only book printing of Lovecraft in his life, and Abebooks has the book's dust jacket for $385, and the book for $1,750. I think Project Gutenberg not having it says more about the book's rarity and cost than it's public domain status.
If you could obtain a scan of it (if there is one on Archive.org or elsewhere, that would work), you could do the research and submit it for copyright clearance at Gutenberg.org. Instructions are here: http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Gutenberg:Copyright_How-To This would fall under Rule 6. I'm sure society would thank you for proving another Lovecraft work is out of copyright!
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Post by KevinS » July 15th, 2019, 6:19 am

prosfilaes wrote:
July 14th, 2019, 10:14 pm
I'm not going to say that Librivox will accept it, but it was published in the US in 1936, and there's no copyright renewal for it, so it should be PD US.
I don't understand this.
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Post by TriciaG » July 15th, 2019, 6:28 am

KevinS wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 6:19 am
prosfilaes wrote:
July 14th, 2019, 10:14 pm
I'm not going to say that Librivox will accept it, but it was published in the US in 1936, and there's no copyright renewal for it, so it should be PD US.
I don't understand this.
It's very complicated. Here are resources: http://www.publicdomainsherpa.com/copyright-duration2.html and https://fairuse.stanford.edu/charts-and-tools/

For our purposes, if a work was published after 1923 and it's on Gutenberg.org or HathiTrust.org as full view, then it has been shown to be PD and we can use it. This thread isn't the place for a full explanation. See the above links. :)
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Post by KevinS » July 15th, 2019, 6:29 am

Do you mean this?

"[W]orks published before 1964 that were not renewed are in the public domain."

If so, are you in a position to show that the copyright was not renewed? How is that done? (If you don't mind telling us.)
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Post by KevinS » July 15th, 2019, 6:29 am

TriciaG wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 6:28 am
KevinS wrote:
July 15th, 2019, 6:19 am
prosfilaes wrote:
July 14th, 2019, 10:14 pm
I'm not going to say that Librivox will accept it, but it was published in the US in 1936, and there's no copyright renewal for it, so it should be PD US.
I don't understand this.
It's very complicated. Here are resources: http://www.publicdomainsherpa.com/copyright-duration2.html and https://fairuse.stanford.edu/charts-and-tools/

For our purposes, if a work was published after 1923 and it's on Gutenberg.org or HathiTrust.org as full view, then it has been shown to be PD and we can use it. This thread isn't the place for a full explanation. See the above links. :)
Hahaha! It sure is complicated! Thank you for the links.
"E agora, José?"

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