Doctor Dolittle's Post Office (1923) - is this text PD?

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Post by Elizabby » January 23rd, 2019, 4:56 pm

Doctor Dolittle's Post Office was published in 1923, this is the text information from PG Canada. Is this PD? And is this proof enough to use this as a base text for a Dramatic Reading? I'd make colour coded scripts, of course, but before I start I want to make sure the base text is legal to use!
* A Project Gutenberg Canada Ebook *

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Title: Doctor Dolittle's Post Office
Author: Lofting, Hugh John (1886-1947)
Date of first publication: 1923
Edition used as base for this ebook: Philadelphia and New York: J. B. Lippincott (Twenty-ninth printing)
Date first posted: 25 December 2008
Date last updated: 25 December 2008
Project Gutenberg Canada ebook #225

This ebook was produced by: Iona Vaughan, Marcia Brooks, Mark Akrigg & the Online Distributed Proofreading Team at http://www.pgdpcanada.net
EDIT: Sorry, link here: https://gutenberg.ca/ebooks/lofting-post/lofting-post-00-h-dir/lofting-post-00-h.html
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Post by annise » January 23rd, 2019, 5:10 pm

Got a link ? Never mind - I looked. According to the copy of the front page it says copyright 1951 held by his daughter/wife so the question is - is it the same as the 1923 one which would be PD? I find it really easy to imagine that publishers in 1951 might change any non PC parts in a children's book

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https://gutenberg.ca/ebooks/lofting-post/lofting-post-00-h-dir/lofting-post-00-h.html

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Post by mightyfelix » January 23rd, 2019, 5:32 pm

http://gutenberg.ca/ebooks/lofting-post/lofting-post-00-h-dir/lofting-post-00-h.html

The question here is whether an etext of a 1923 book which was not made from a first edition is allowable. I'm inclined to say probably not?

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Post by TriciaG » January 23rd, 2019, 5:33 pm

http://gutenberg.ca/ebooks/lofting-post/lofting-post-00-h-dir/lofting-post-00-h.html
Copyright, 1951, by Josephine Lofting
Copyright, 1923, by Hugh Lofting
This looks like the mandatory 28th year copyright renewal, with no other notice of copyright.

(I'd be more comfortable with it if gutenberg.org transferred it to their site.)

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Post by annise » January 23rd, 2019, 5:43 pm

Which they are unlikely to do without more legal checks than we are able to do, especially if they don't have a 1923 copy if I understand their protocol correctly.

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Post by Elizabby » January 23rd, 2019, 5:46 pm

annise wrote:
January 23rd, 2019, 5:10 pm
Got a link ? Never mind - I looked. According to the copy of the front page it says copyright 1951 held by his daughter/wife so the question is - is it the same as the 1923 one which would be PD? I find it really easy to imagine that publishers in 1951 might change any non PC parts in a children's book

Anne
https://gutenberg.ca/ebooks/lofting-post/lofting-post-00-h-dir/lofting-post-00-h.html
Obviously I can't be 100% sure, but the Dolittle books have been edited and re-issued by Hugh Lofting's son in order to remove the non-PC parts and rewrite the plot of the first book completely. (That's the one where the African prince wishes to be white in order to impress Sleeping Beauty, and the Doctor uses his "magic" to make the Prince white and then he lets them out of prison. In the new version apparently the prince wishes to be a lion - I have no idea how the Doctor does that, as it is pretty clear he doesn't actually have any magic!)

This one isn't set in Africa, but in a small Pacific Island. I'm re-reading it now and it is pretty non-PC in parts, especially where it talks about the natives not understanding about Postal Service "magic" and throwing letters all over the floor.

How would I verify that this online text is compliant with the 1923 version?

Alternatively, how does a person go about submitting a text for checking to the main PG site? (I tried it once before and couldn't get it to work.)

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Post by Elizabby » January 23rd, 2019, 6:01 pm

Elizabby wrote:
January 23rd, 2019, 5:46 pm
How would I verify that this online text is compliant with the 1923 version?
The thing is, there's a 1923 version on Hathitrust which is clearly PD, (link below) but it's a horrible scan (it's all sideways) and would be much harder to make a DR script from, though it would probably be OK to DPL against or to read for a solo. So the question then becomes, how much of the 1923 Hathitrust text do I need to check to make sure it is the same? 10%? 50%? All of it?

https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/101867149

Or is there a way to ask Project Gutenberg to import the Hathi Trust scan? It would have to go through their proof reading system, I presume, but I could help with that.

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Post by gweeks » January 24th, 2019, 7:16 am

Let me see what I can do with this. I don't know how to get the scans from hathi, but as long as the scans are complete I should be able to do something.

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Post by TriciaG » January 24th, 2019, 7:26 am

gweeks wrote:
January 24th, 2019, 7:16 am
Let me see what I can do with this. I don't know how to get the scans from hathi, but as long as the scans are complete I should be able to do something.

Greg
ChuckW and I think Kayray have credentials on HathiTrust to download the whole PDF. They could download it and send it to you.

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Post by gweeks » January 24th, 2019, 7:33 am

TriciaG wrote:
January 24th, 2019, 7:26 am
gweeks wrote:
January 24th, 2019, 7:16 am
Let me see what I can do with this. I don't know how to get the scans from hathi, but as long as the scans are complete I should be able to do something.

Greg
ChuckW and I think Kayray have credentials on HathiTrust to download the whole PDF. They could download it and send it to you.
That would work. I will still have to make sure the scan is complete.

Greg

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Post by pschempf » January 24th, 2019, 10:05 am

The same sideways scan is available from Google Books here -

https://books.google.com/books/about/Doctor_Dolittle_s_Post_Office.html?id=rLYqAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button#v=onepage&q&f=false

and may be easier to work with without being a partner institution at HathiTrust.
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Post by Elizabby » January 26th, 2019, 4:05 pm

pschempf wrote:
January 24th, 2019, 10:05 am
The same sideways scan is available from Google Books here -

https://books.google.com/books/about/Doctor_Dolittle_s_Post_Office.html?id=rLYqAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button#v=onepage&q&f=false

and may be easier to work with without being a partner institution at HathiTrust.
Not for me - I can't access this at all.

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Post by TriciaG » January 26th, 2019, 7:05 pm

Someone from the US could download it, then send it to a file sharing site like http://ge.tt

Oh, wait - I bet Greg can download it from there. :)

I can't access it at Google Books, either.

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Post by icequeen » January 26th, 2019, 8:35 pm

I downloaded it. Here is the link! http://ge.tt/5Ji3RBu2
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Post by Elizabby » January 26th, 2019, 9:58 pm

Thanks everyone! This community is so helpful! I'll message Greg and see if he can get it into the PG pipeline...

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