Text Policy: Historic & Going Into Each New Year

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Post by TriciaG » December 17th, 2018, 8:03 am

We would like to reiterate our text policy as each new year approaches. This is the same policy we have for all texts which are automatically PD in the US (95 years after publication, through December 31 of the 95th year - or simply add 96 years to the publication year).

Texts acceptable for LV:
* Scans of works which show the publication year as being 1923 or earlier
* Texts available on Gutenberg.org, whose copyright status in the "bibrec" tab shows as PD in the USA (see note below)
* Texts available as "full view" on HathiTrust.org
* Texts from other sites that state clearly which edition the text came from, and that do not restrict the use of their text with a CC or other license (gutenberg.au, bartleby.com, and plenty of others may qualify)

Sources that share transcribed works (works rendered into html) without a clear statement of what edition they came from aren't allowed, just like they're not allowed for >95-year-old works. Wikisource is not acceptable unless it has a scan that clearly shows a publication date of 96 years or more, because they restrict use of the texts with a CC license.

*Note also that HathiTrust restricts views on many of their works for out-of-USA viewers. So if you can, please use Gutenberg or Internet Archive first, and Hathi as a later option.

We know everyone wants to jump into each new year's newly PD works, and the excitement builds! But we still need to follow our regular text policies when we burst into the new year. :)

In other news...

(As of December 2018) We have learned that Distributed Proofreaders (which feeds into Project Gutenberg) aren't working on any 1923 texts yet. Like here, they won't be starting any 1923 projects until January 1, 2019. We assume they will carry forward this policy into each new year.

Concern has been expressed about posting book suggestions for about-to-become-PD texts. It is fine to make a list of books entering the PD soon, but let's not link to texts themselves until January 1. It's better not to take any risks on this.

[Edited December 22, 2019 to make it more general for each year rather than only for 2019.]
Mystery stories: The Master of Mysteries
Kerner Report on 1967 race riots: LINK
Mussolini's speeches thru 1923: LINK
The Medici family history: LINK

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Post by mightyfelix » December 17th, 2018, 10:21 am

Thank you for the clear explanation! I had been planning to use Gutenberg Canada as a source for one book I'd like to do (it's already PD there), but I just went to check the entry for it again, and it says that they used a later edition for their source. 29th printing, I think it said. So that means it still won't be usable, and I'll need to find a first edition scan somewhere?
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Post by TriciaG » December 17th, 2018, 11:43 am

mightyfelix wrote:
December 17th, 2018, 10:21 am
Thank you for the clear explanation! I had been planning to use Gutenberg Canada as a source for one book I'd like to do (it's always PD there), but I just went to check the entry for it again, and it says that they used a later edition for their source. 29th printing, I think it said. So that means it still won't be usable, and I'll need to find a first edition scan somewhere?
Yes, you'd need to find a ≤1923 edition. Don't quote me on this, but I think if we could compare a scan with the later edition html version, and if they're the same, you could use the html. We'll deal with situations like that on an individual basis.
Mystery stories: The Master of Mysteries
Kerner Report on 1967 race riots: LINK
Mussolini's speeches thru 1923: LINK
The Medici family history: LINK

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Post by Eidyiaa » December 20th, 2018, 12:55 pm

I am SOOOOO excited for all the new books coming into the public domain. LV is going to be VERY busy this year! Are there any threads within Book suggestions where people are discussing the works they would like to do once the new year hits?
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Post by annise » December 20th, 2018, 1:26 pm

No - we decided it was better to wait till they are PD this is an open public forum that abides by USA laws. :D

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Post by DACSoft » December 20th, 2018, 2:12 pm

In the meantime, there are hundreds of thousands (probably millions) of books copyrighted in 1922 and earlier that haven't been recorded yet, so there is still a wide selection from which to choose. :wink:

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Post by mightyfelix » December 20th, 2018, 3:17 pm

Eidyiaa wrote:
December 20th, 2018, 12:55 pm
I am SOOOOO excited for all the new books coming into the public domain. LV is going to be VERY busy this year! Are there any threads within Book suggestions where people are discussing the works they would like to do once the new year hits?
You're more than welcome to contribute to the podcast I'm organizing! Check the "Release Party" link in my signature. As long as you don't include any excerpts from the book(s) you're interested in, there will be no harm in talking about them.

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Post by soupy » July 3rd, 2019, 4:39 am

What about a text like this?
* Texts available as "full view" on HathiTrust.org

The metalogicon of John of Salisbury: a twelfth-century defense of the verbal and logical arts of the trivium translated with an introd. & notes by Daniel D. McGarry.

John of Salisbury https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_Salisbury

https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001381658

Berkeley: University of California Press, 1955.

Translated by Daniel Michael McGarry 1842-1903
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Michael_McGarry

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Post by TriciaG » July 3rd, 2019, 5:49 am

soupy wrote:
July 3rd, 2019, 4:39 am
What about a text like this?
* Texts available as "full view" on HathiTrust.org

The metalogicon of John of Salisbury: a twelfth-century defense of the verbal and logical arts of the trivium translated with an introd. & notes by Daniel D. McGarry.

John of Salisbury https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_Salisbury

https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001381658

Berkeley: University of California Press, 1955.

Translated by Daniel Michael McGarry 1842-1903
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Michael_McGarry

Craig
It's full view at HathiTrust, so it's OK to use. They have a team that does diligent copyright clearance, like Gutenberg.org, so they're trustworthy. (This appears to be a reprint with no edits that call for a new copyright.)
Mystery stories: The Master of Mysteries
Kerner Report on 1967 race riots: LINK
Mussolini's speeches thru 1923: LINK
The Medici family history: LINK

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Post by soupy » July 3rd, 2019, 7:59 am

Thanks :D

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Post by Elin » January 23rd, 2020, 3:10 pm

Hi, there's a book that I would very much like to record when that becomes possible. It was first published in 1925, so I assume it will become PD next year. If I have a copy of the book where it says "Copyright the Estate of [author], 1925" on the inside, even if the book itself is a later edition, would that be okay to read from next year? Or would I need to find a first edition, alternatively wait until it shows up on Gutenberg? Apologies if there's information on this somewhere and I missed it.

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Post by TriciaG » January 23rd, 2020, 3:30 pm

Elin wrote:
January 23rd, 2020, 3:10 pm
Hi, there's a book that I would very much like to record when that becomes possible. It was first published in 1925, so I assume it will become PD next year. If I have a copy of the book where it says "Copyright the Estate of [author], 1925" on the inside, even if the book itself is a later edition, would that be okay to read from next year? Or would I need to find a first edition, alternatively wait until it shows up on Gutenberg? Apologies if there's information on this somewhere and I missed it.
It really depends. Sometimes later editions are OK, if they don't incur a new copyright.
If it shows up on HathiTrust as Full View, or on Archive.org as a scan we can check the copyright page on, then you could use those as sources. If you only find it as a hard copy, we'd need a picture or scan of the title page and copyright page to verify its status.
Mystery stories: The Master of Mysteries
Kerner Report on 1967 race riots: LINK
Mussolini's speeches thru 1923: LINK
The Medici family history: LINK

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