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Post by vitomar » December 24th, 2009, 10:53 am

Dialogo dei massimi sistemi by Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) .

This book is a scientific essay written in the form of a dialogue by the Italian scientist Galileo Galilei in order to explain to a large public his position about the cosmological controversy opposing him to the Catholic Church. This text, originally written in Italian, is at the root of the scientific revolution. (Summary by Vito Marangelli)
  1. How to claim a part, and "how it all works" here To find a section to record, simply look at point 5. below at the sections. All the ones without names beside them are "up for grabs." Click "Post reply" at the top left of the screen and tell us which section you would like to read (include the section number from the left-most column in the reader list, please). Read points 6. to 8. below for what to do before, during and after your recording.
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  4. Where do I find the text? Source text (please only read from this text!): http://www.archive.org/details/idialoghidigalil00galiuoft
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    No more than 0.5 to 1 second of silence at the beginning of the recording!

    (Introduzione)
    • "Capitolo [numero] di Dialogo dei massimi sistemi. - Questa è una registrazione Librivox. Tutte le regisrazioni Librivox sono di dominio pubblico. Per maggiori informazioni o per diventare volontari visistate il sito: librivox PUNTO org"
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      "Registrazione di [il tuo nome]"
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      "Dialogo dei massimi sistemi, di Galileo Galilei. [Tradotto da [Traduttore]]. [Capitolo]"


    Alla fine della registrazione
    • Alla fine di ogni sezione, devi dire:
      Fine del Capitolo [numero]"
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      "Registrazione di [il tuo nome], [città, il tuo blog, podcast, indirizzo web]"
    • Alla fine del libro, devi dire in aggiunta:
      "Fine di Dialogo dei massimi sistemi, di Galileo Galilei."


    There should be 5 seconds silence at the end of the recording.
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Post by Availle » December 24th, 2009, 6:04 pm

Ohmygoodness! :shock: I LOVE this! :clap: Oh, I wish I'd speak Italian! :cry:


Vito, this is quite an ambitious first project (I think it has about 500 pages or so), and usually we encourage new readers to record some smaller pieces first, so they get a feeling for how big their commitment actually is.

If you feel confident to record in English, there are two sections on Galileo (and many others) open in my project here: http://librivox.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22600

Please don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to discourage you! On the contrary, I am always happy whenever somebody picks up anything science! :thumbs: I just want to make sure you know exactly what you're getting yourself into (WARNING: librivox is addictive!) :D
Cheers,
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Post by vitomar » December 25th, 2009, 12:07 pm

Your project is fascinating. I looked at it! However, I don't think to be able to participate because I am not English native speaking. Thus, my pronounciation could be imperfect. (As a matter of fact, it would be better than that of the guys which have recorded the first chapter of the Ulysses by Joyce on Librivox!).
As regarding my project in Italian, it's just 158 pages on my edition).

Thanks.

Vito
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Post by Availle » December 25th, 2009, 4:24 pm

I'm happy I did not discourage you! :D

We are usually not concerned about accents. The general idea is: "If you're understandable in the language you want to record, go for it!"

I am surprised your edition is so short. On archive.org, most of Galileos Two Systems are about 500 pages, apparently they span four days of discussions. Or maybe those are not the original, but later extended versions?

Could you please post a link to your text? This is important for several reasons: a) We usually put the text online together with the recording for the convenience of the listener. b) We have to make sure the text is in the public domain, i.e., published before 1923 (author's death is not an issue here :) ). Later editions may not be 1:1 reproductions of the original text, they may have new introductions, a somewhat modernized language... In that case they get a new copyright and cannot be used here.

I'm sorry, I am sounding discouraging again... :oops: But it is better to make sure of the copyright before you spend a lot of time recording, so we don't find out half way through that we cannot put it out there and your work was wasted...

Vito, again, I LOVE THIS PROJECT! :9: I hope to see you doing it!
Cheers,
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Post by vitomar » December 25th, 2009, 5:14 pm

Ava, you were right. I checked my edition and found that it is an incomplete edition. However, I have managed to find a public domain text in the Progetto Manuzio website (http://www.liberliber.it/biblioteca/g/galilei/dialogo_sopra_i_due_massimi_sistemi_del_mondo_tolemaico__etc/pdf/dialog_p.pdf) also available in rtf or plain text..
As a matter of fact I have extended the project schedule until December 2010. It would be interesting to propose a collaborative project, especially considering the 'dialogue' nature of the text (thus, it would be nice to have different readers as characters), but this is impossible for my location. Thus, I am forced to stick on a solo project. I have already recorded the dedication and premise, but I understand that until the project gains a MC attention and filing process, I can not upload my recordings.
I have also considered the possibility of recording the chapter 'Galileo and Telescope' of your project, but I am not sure to be able to do that.
Thanks for your attention.
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Post by Availle » December 25th, 2009, 5:49 pm

Vito, are you absolutely sure the text you linked to is in the public domain?

It says on the second page: TRATTO DA [...] Torino, 1970 (which would be too late for us), and if you follow the link just above: http://www.liberliber.it/biblioteca/licenze/
it says something about a creative commons licence. Creative Commons is NOT the same as public domain! Unfortunately I don't speak Italian at all, so I can't make sure about the copyright... :(

SOME ADMIN HELP NEEDED HERE, PLEASE!!

There are some editions of the Two Systems on archive.org, that are definitely in the public domain, for example:
http://www.archive.org/details/idialoghidigali00seghgoog
http://www.archive.org/details/idialoghidigalil00galiuoft

If you're just interested in the dialogue, you can leave out everything else, but again, those are the ones with the 500+ pages... EDIT: I just checked, your textlink also contains all four 'giornatas', so it seems to be the full text as well.


I know what you mean about the dialogue aspect, it would be great to do it like this. In fact, you don't need everybody present with you when you do the recording. You just need two more people that record 'their' parts (somewhere, sometime) and in the end, we simply do some cutting and pasting. This is how we do our dramas, and it works quite well. However, I don't know how many speakers of Italian we have on here, but you can always do some recruiting of your own :wink:

Again, I hope you go through with this wonderful project...

Oh, it is probably a good idea to post a test recording, so we can make sure your technical settings are ok. You can use the recordings you already did...
Cheers,
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Post by neerajanagarajan » December 25th, 2009, 11:33 pm

SOME RIGHTS RESERVED is generally not our cup of tea. :(

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Post by icyjumbo » December 26th, 2009, 10:09 am

I'd have to agree that we can't use the liberliber.it licensed text, as its license appears to be pretty conclusively Creative Commons 2.5, based on http://www.liberliber.it/biblioteca/licenze/

If you don't feel able to use the Gutenberg text for any reason, then we'll have to try to find another text that is provably public domain in the United States.

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Post by Leni » December 27th, 2009, 6:33 am

I'd be willing to MC this book, either as a solo or collaborative, provided we can agree on a Public Domain text as source.

We have at least two other Italian speakers active in LV at the moment: Riccardo and Davide. I don't know if they would be interested in this project, but it doesn't hurt asking.

Anyway, Vitomar, would you be ok with using a text such as the ones in archive.org (like this one, for example: http://www.archive.org/details/idialoghidigali00seghgoog)?
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Post by vitomar » December 28th, 2009, 4:10 pm

Thanks, Folks!
I am new here. But I am pleased by the quick reactivity you showed to my project, notwithstanding the non-English nature of the book.
I checked the links to archive.org, but the first one is the text in French, while the second one, in Italian, seems to have some problems. The pdf is heavy, but the BW format seems right; the full-text (which I would prefer) is a very bad OCR with lots of 'garbage' and unintelligible words; there is a long preface and Galileo biography, which are not needed. However, I can consider this edition. In the meantime, I will look for another public domain source.
I will also post my two recordings (the dedication and the premise), but How? (is an attachment sufficient?). I would appreciate detailed instructions.
I am sorry to say that my work will slow down, due to an incident I had on the Christmas Day night with my contact lenses: I am single-eyed like a pirate, with my bad eye left.
Thanks everybody for assistance.
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Post by Availle » December 28th, 2009, 4:18 pm

HI Vito,

great you are still on track! (Sorry about your contact lenses!)

The first text is in Italian too! It seems that them Americans don't know them languages... :roll:

As I said before, you can leave out the preface/intro and Galileo biography if you wish so - that would shorten the text by about 50 pages, 10 percent or so...

For your test, please follow the instructions here: http://librivox.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=318669#318669

One file is plenty, it's not an audition, it's just to check that your technical specifications are ok.
Cheers,
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Post by vitomar » December 28th, 2009, 6:03 pm

I just uploaded my files as test_vitomar.mp3 and test2_vitomar.mp3 by the uploader, but I did not receive any link to files. Are you able to find them?
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Post by Availle » December 28th, 2009, 6:26 pm

vitomar wrote:I just uploaded my files as test_vitomar.mp3 and test2_vitomar.mp3 by the uploader, but I did not receive any link to files. Are you able to find them?
The first one seems to be here:
http://upload.librivox.org/share/uploads/tests/test_vitomar.mp3

and the second one is here:
http://upload.librivox.org/share/uploads/tests/test2_vitomar.mp3

The links appear somewhere between Step 1 and Step 2. You'll have to copy/paste them manually into your posts.

EDIT: I finally had time to listen to your first test - the technial specifications are right on, including the ID 3 tags, and you have a wonderful voice... :9:

I guess you did not do any editing to this yet?
First of all, we'll need at most 1 sec of silence in the beginning and 5 secs at the end (10 for recordings over 30 min), but you know that.
Your recording is a bit on the quiet side. Two possible remedies: turn up the input volume further (the right slider on the top) or use Effect - Normalize in Audacity. The peaks should be somewhere between 0.5 and 1 on the scale at the left.
Also, there is some distracting, irregular 'pinging' noise over your recording, check out 4:37. If you can find out what it is and remove the cause it would be great, I think it might be a bit difficult to clean (but I'm not an expert here).

Besides that, it seems a bit strange to have the librivoxy stuff in English instead of Italian. :D Usually for a 'foreign' project, we have everything in said language. There is another recording in Italian here: http://librivox.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21626
have a look at what he did regarding the disclaimer. I'm sure he does something similar for the endings as well, but I have not checked.

:roll: I'm being terribly bitchy again, ain't I? :oops: I just hope I'm helpful and not off-putting... :?
Cheers,
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Post by vitomar » December 29th, 2009, 10:57 am

Your comments are helpful, Ava! If the job must be done, it must be done at the best.
I have recorded the text without any editing, because it was a test. I realized that the volume must be increased, and your suggestion is useful. I use Audacity and a Trust USB headphone-microphone device on my MacAir. For the disclaimer in English, I was not able to find the Italian version (that I already found on the web, but was unable to retrace it). Regarding my voice, it was not at the best because I have a little cold, and the quality is 'nose-voice'. I would like to master the editing stuff in Audacity, but it takes time.

I thank you again for your comments. And don't fear to be discouraging. I am hard-shelled ( and I know that comments are in the interest of the quality). I discovered LV audiobooks on my iPhone, and I found this activity so wonderfully generous that I decided to join and take my little stone to the wall (if I can).

Regards, Vito
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Post by Leni » December 29th, 2009, 12:31 pm

Hi, Vito

I am glad to know you're willing to listen to comments and learn. :) Thanks, Availle, for all the help too!

We currently do not have a template for solo projectsin Italian, but we have a template for Collaborative. As the disclaimer is also there in Italian, it might help you: http://wiki.librivox.org/index.php/Project_Templates_for_BCs_Italian

I will go ahead and add my initials and name to the first post, since no other admin expressed interest in MCing this project. I think we need to have the text source chosen and the intros decided etc before I add the project to the database, though.

Availle, would you be interested in PLing this book?
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