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Post by miss stav » May 11th, 2019, 12:40 am

The Old New Land by Theodor Herzl (1860 - 1904). Translated by David Simon Blondheim (1884 - 1934)

Originally published in 1902 in Herzl's native German, Altnewland (The Old New Land) is one of the founding texts of modern Zionism. The novel tells the story of Friedrich Löwenberg, a young Jewish Viennese intellectual, who, tired with European decadence, joins an Americanized Prussian aristocrat named Kingscourt as they retire to a remote Pacific island (it is specifically mentioned as being part of the Cook Islands, near Rarotonga) in 1902. Stopping in Jaffa on their way to the Pacific, they find Palestine a backward, destitute and sparsely populated land, as it appeared to Herzl on his visit in 1898.

Löwenberg and Kingscourt spend the following twenty years on the island, cut off from civilization. As they stop over in Palestine on their way back to Europe in 1923, they are astonished to discover a land drastically transformed. A Jewish state officially named the "New Society" has since risen as European Jews have rediscovered and re-inhabited their Altneuland, reclaiming their own destiny in the Land of Israel. The country, whose leaders include some old acquaintances from Vienna, is now prosperous and well-populated, boasts a thriving cooperative industry based on state-of-the-art technology, and is home to a free, just, and cosmopolitan modern society. Arabs have full equal rights with Jews, with an Arab engineer among the New Society's leaders, and most merchants in the country are Armenians, Greeks, and members of other ethnic groups.This book was translated into Hebrew by Nahum Sokolow and named "Tel Aviv", Tel for old and Aviv for spring. A little more then 100 years later, Tel Aviv is the first modern Hebrew city, a major cultural and financial hub of Israel.
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Post by chocoholic » May 12th, 2019, 6:45 pm

Stav, I am not sure that the text you have linked is in the public domain in the United States. I have found what appears to be the same text online marked as a 1941 translation by Lotta Levinsohn. I can't find anything on the Jewish Virtual Library website that states that their texts are in the public domain in the United States (or anywhere else). To be sure this text is OK for Librivox, we'll need either a scan of an original version published before 1924 or clearance from Gutenberg.
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Post by miss stav » May 12th, 2019, 9:32 pm

It is very strange because on the top they write "translated in 1916 by..." I can link to the same text from wikisource if it helps. But this is what I found.
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Post by annise » May 12th, 2019, 11:58 pm

Archive only has one, translated in 1960 by Paula Arnold https://archive.org/details/altneulandoldnew00herz/page/n5 so that's no good for us

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Post by chocoholic » May 14th, 2019, 5:51 pm

Wikisource isn't a trustworthy source because we can't verify that texts posted there really are public domain. They also use a Creative Commons license that isn't the same as public domain. I checked the version of this text on Wikisource anyway, but it's only part 1, not the complete text.

I'll move this thread to Book Suggestions for now. If you're able to find a known public domain source, we can move it back to the Launch Pad. Another option might be to record it at Legamus, if it is public domain in life+70 countries.
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Post by miss stav » May 14th, 2019, 8:41 pm

I am very sorry about that but I have no idea how to find a text that is in the public domain. I assume it would be a problem with legamus as well but I don't know. I really wanted this book to join the catalogue... Perhaps it's time to recruit more readers from Israel and record the Hebrew text which is defenately pd.
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